Here, let me give you a hand; maybe this is what you had in mind?
Posted on 02/17/2005 9:59:20 AM PST by IAF ThunderPilot
President George W. Bush on Thursday addressed the issue of Iran's possible nuclear armament, declining to offer his full endorsement of Europe's negotiations to get Iran to halt its suspected nuclear weapons program.
He said the United States and Europe share the goal that Iran must not develop a nuclear weapon. Still, he left it up in the air whether he fully supports Europe's approach.
"I look forward to ... discussing strategies, ways forward with the Europeans to make sure we continue to speak with one voice, and that is Iran should not have a nuclear weapon and how to work together to make sure they don't," Bush said.
Asked if was concerned that Israel might attack Iran to prevent it from acquiring a nuclear weapon, Bush said Israel is concerned about Iran's intentions.
"But clearly, if I was the leader of Israel and I'd listened to some of the statements by the Iranian ayatollahs that regarded the security of my country, I'd be concerned about Iran having a nuclear weapon as well," Bush said.
He said Israel "is our ally and in that we've made a very strong commitment to support Israel, we will support Israel if her security is threatened."
Bush spoke at a news conference where he announced that John Negroponte, the US ambassador to Iraq, would be the first US director of national intelligence, the powerful overseer of all 15 intelligence agencies.
In addition, Bush said Syria was "out of step" with other nations in the Middle East and said the United States would work with other countries to pressure Damascus to remove its troops from Lebanon.
Bush said he did not know if Syria was involved in the assassination of former Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri.
"I can't tell you yet," Bush said. "I don't know that. I'm going to withhold judgment until we know what the facts are."
Bush said he would consult with allies about Syria when he visits Europe next week, and said the United States supports an international investigation of Hariri's assassination.
The United States has withdrawn its ambassador to Syria, Margaret Scobey, and that "indicates that the relationship is not moving forward," the president said. He said Syria was "out of step with the progress being made in the greater Middle East."
The United States expected Syria to find and turn over former supporters of Saddam Hussein's regime and send them back to Iraq and stop supporting terrorism, Bush said. He said Syria also must comply with UN resolutions calling for it to withdraw from Lebanon. Syria has 15,000 troops in Lebanon.
Looking ahead to his European trip, Bush said he knows that some allies think that his only concern is national security, and he said that national security is at the top of his agenda.
Yet, he said, "We also care about hunger and disease. We care about the climate."
Many allies are upset with the United States for refusing to approve the Kyoto climate treaty.
"They thought the treaty made sense," Bush said. "I didn't." He noted that the Senate had voted 95-0 against the treaty. Yet, Bush said there were other ways to deal with the problem of global warming and that he would talk with allies about new technologies to deal with the issue.
(Pollard was prosecuted because the US was unhappy that the info he stole ended up in Soviet hands)
The only problem is that the evidence supposedly given to the Soviets was not the informaiton that Pollard possesed. It was the information on spies that Robert Hanssen and Aldrich Ames did. The FBI pinned the death of spies in the USSR on Pollard instead of cleaning house.
Pollard deserves to rot for what he did do, not what he did not do.
Given that you believe in Replacement Theology, what is your fealing on the Third Commonwealth of Israel.
"The Talmud drew from the Bible ('Old Testament'), oral traditions that came from biblical times ('Midrash'),"
I don't recall any biblical or oral tradition describing Jesus and Mary as ...ah, well, I can't even repeat it without propagating blasphemy. Whereas a study of the Old Testament could reasonably lead to belief in Jesus, the Talmud, which superceded the Torah a the Jewish guide to doctrine, placed an insurmountable barrier to that belief.
" and post-Scriptural events from around the beginning of the Common Era."
What's this "Common Era" jazz? Are you being PC?
"You seem to want to characterize it as a wholly different religion, which would be more extreme than saying that today's (Roman Catholic) Church is not the same religion as the (Apostolic) Church."
With the rejection of Jesus as the Messiah, all biblical prophecies pertaining to the suffering Messiah had to be interpreted away. In place of these teachings came the doctrine of the Messiah as a political and military conqueror. Consequently, the Jews anointed various false messiahs such as Bar Kokhba. Furthermore, with the permanent elimination of the Temple, the Jewish priesthood and sacrificial system disappeared. Judaism was reinvented as a system of ethics.
"You didn't answer my other question, why you recommend that Israel agree to disarm in response to Iran's proposal for a nuclear-free Mideast."
Israel is not going to give up her nukes. Furthermore, as long as Israel has the nuclear option, and the Arabs haven't, Israel will continue taking all the land she wants and killing all the Arabs she wants.
" Would your view change depending on how close modern Judaism is to Old Testament Judaism, and what would be your test? How many abortions per every 1,000 births?"
That would be an interesting test. Abortion is legal in Israel but illegal in all Muslim countries. Israel's abortion rate is comparable to that of the US. It seems incongruous that Israel should squawk about Muslim atrocities while Israel kills far more of her own children than the Muslims kill.
Once again.,He was speaking to the leadership! The first 'Christians' were ALL Jewish.
You presume that a Temple cannot be rebuilt, even though it has occured before.
They(as far as abortion is concerned) are only following OUR 'Christian democracy's' bad example. Pray that both nations will repent and see life as God sees it. Ps. 139:13-16
Furthermore, the Jewish religion of today is not the Judaism of the Bible. It is a new religion which goes by the same name.
Please explain.
God only knows who are the biological descendants of Abraham today. There is no identifiable ethnic group which corresponds to the Old Testament Hebrews.
Have you completely missed genetic studies of Jews?
http://www.med.nyu.edu/genetics/research/jewish_origins.html
The Y-chromosome studies of Kohens across continents is rather conclusive.
Whereas a study of the Old Testament could reasonably lead to belief in Jesus, the Talmud, which superceded the Torah a the Jewish guide to doctrine, placed an insurmountable barrier to that belief.
Essentually you believe that Biblical Judaism leads to Christianity and anything that does not is not Judaism.
That is circular and illogical. Moreover, the Muslims believe that same about Christianity being SUPERCEDED by Islam. You are not a true Christian, unless you are a Muslim. Convert to Islam, or get a better arguement.
What's this "Common Era" jazz? Are you being PC?
BC and AD are theological statements.
With the rejection of Jesus as the Messiah, all biblical prophecies pertaining to the suffering Messiah had to be interpreted away. In place of these teachings came the doctrine of the Messiah as a political and military conqueror.
You have it backwards. Why doi you think taht all of Jesus's followers initially expected Jesus to lead a revolt?
Why did a half dozen Jews Messianic claiments all lead revolts, before and after Jesus?
You really need to re-read Mathew.
Furthermore, with the permanent elimination of the Temple, the Jewish priesthood and sacrificial system disappeared. Judaism was reinvented as a system of ethics.
1. Various communities did continue sacrifices until recently.
2. The Talmud is a linear continuation of Pharassaic thought.
Israel is not going to give up her nukes. Furthermore, as long as Israel has the nuclear option, and the Arabs haven't, Israel will continue taking all the land she wants and killing all the Arabs she wants.
Israe doesn't want either.
That would be an interesting test. Abortion is legal in Israel but illegal in all Muslim countries. Israel's abortion rate is comparable to that of the US. It seems incongruous that Israel should squawk about Muslim atrocities while Israel kills far more of her own children than the Muslims kill.
Do you want to go over Aortion laws in "Christian" countries, including the US over the last 200 years?
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The terrorists didn't attack us for the reason that we are allies of Israel. They attacked us because of the nature of our nation and the spreading culture of America threatens their totalitarian way of life, religious or secular. They hate Israel for the same reason.
You are right on the money, RaceBannon. Good call!
Right you are!
Interesting points - ping!
I see that you didn't need any assistance from Virginia, after all! :)
"If the church replaced Israel, as you claim, how do you explain the fact Israel exists and has since 1948? By the logic of replacement theology, they should have just remained in the Diaspora forver."
Excellent point!
lol thanks :)
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