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"Back to trying to prove that Windows is on 95% of the Intel PC's.. what is the point? "

Previous post had nothing to do with 95% desktop Windows.
I don't have to prove that Microsoft controls the desktop.
Everyone knows that already.

"Didn't you mom ever say.. if all of the kids jumped off of a cliff, would that make it smart?"

I beginning to wonder if you actually had your mother at home at all, let alone teach you a manners.

You mean you don't have a clue, like all those small businesses you claimed were using Linux without even knowing they were huh?
LOL!

"Windows had to be a clone of that work because Dr. Rashid, who didn't write the Mach kernel by himself by any stretch of the imagination.. had to leave that technology at CMU."

So.. Dr Rashid didn't write the Mach Kernel?
And he also left the Mach Kernel at CMU did he?
Hey, are you sure are you are alright there?
Maybe you need some sleep?
You not making a whole lot of sense in this last post here.

"Still, I am lost about what this has to do with System security"

Ummm the post about Rick Rashid was in answer to this gem from you :

"dalight:
"The only University professor that I know who wrote a major operating system that enjoys any market share today is Linus Torvalds""

According o you, not only was Linus Torvalds a professor( he wasn't), but he was also the only professor you knew who had written an OS.
That is when I brought in Rick Rahsid to blow a hole in your argument.
Is that clear enough for you now?

My argument is and has been that the study sited in this article is flawed. It is flawed because it measures differences between the way Microsoft and Linux handles security problems rather than any real difference in Security because. Anyone who runs both of these OS's, Like MYSELF and several other professionals that have posted in this thread who definitely have fought these battles on a day to day basis and I have had one Linux box compromised in my whole career, but you almost can't keep the crud out of any Windows box without constant care, attention, 3 security scanners, update weekly or even daily, it just goes on.. and on.. why waste my time trying to give you a hint of a clue.

If you had a clue about the Mach kernel, that would be different too..

I don't know where the crack about manners came from. I guess just something to say.

I guess I need to support my assertion that Dr. Rashid wasn't the only person who worked on the Mach kernel. Still, I owe the bunch of them my thanks for their efforts and the foundation of the OS I like so much.

Current Mach Project Team Members

David Golub: Mach project staff; Currently working on real-time enhancements to the micro-kernel and the Unix server; dbg@cs.cmu.edu
J. Mark Stevenson: Mach project staff; Currently working on Multi-Server; jms@cs.cmu.edu
Dan Stodolsky: CMU CS graduate student; Now working on Parallel Data Lab project support for disk arrays; danner@cs.cmu.edu

Past Mach Project Team Members

Robert Baron: Mach project staff; Now working for Computer Security Project at CMU; rvb@cs.cmu.edu
Joseph Barrera: CMU CS graduate student; Researcher, Microsoft Corporation; joebar@microsoft.com
David Black: CMU CS graduate student; Open Software Foundation Research Institute - Senior Research Fellow; dlb@osf.org
Brian Bershad: CMU CS Faculty Member, Mach PI; University of Washington Faculty Member; bershad@cs.washington.edu
Dave Bohman: ITC Mach staff; NeXT; dbohman@next.com
Bill Bolosky: Mach project staff; Researcher, Microsoft Corporation; bolosky@microsoft.com
Jose Brustoloni: CMU CS graduate student; Now working for HIPPI Nectar and VC Nectar; jcb@cs.cmu.edu
Jonathan Chew: Mach project staff; Stanford University; jjc@mojave.stanford.edu
Randall Dean: Mach project staff; Open Software Foundation Research Institute - Senior Research Engineer; rwd@osf.org
Rich Draves: CMU CS graduate student; Researcher, Microsoft Corporation; rpd@cs.cmu.edu
Alessandro Forin: CMU CS Research faculty; Researcher, Microsoft Corporation; sandrof@microsoft.com
Jeffrey Friedl: Visiting Researcher from Omron; Omron Corporation; jfriedl@nff.ncl.omron.co.jp
Michael Ginsburg: CMU Math Undergraduate; Microsoft Corportation
Lori Iannamico: Mach project staff; Distribution co-ordinator; lli@cs.cmu.edu
Michael Jones: CMU CS graduate student; Researcher, Microsoft Corporation; mbj@microsoft.com
Daniel Julin: CMU CS graduate student; Researcher, Isis Distributed Systems; dpj@cs.cmu.edu or dpj@isis.com
Chris Maeda: CMU CS graduate student; Currently in residence at University of Washington; cmaeda@cs.washington.edu
Rob Malan: Mach project staff; Graduate Student at University of Michigan; grm@cs.cmu.edu
Manish Modh: CMU Undergraduate in Math; IBM Boca.; mmal+@andrew.cmu.edu
Doug Orr: Mach project staff; Graduate Student University of Utah; dbo@cs.utah.edu
Rick Rashid: CMU CS Faculty Member, Mach PI; Director of Research at Microsoft Corporation; rashid@microsoft.com
Richard Sanzi: Mach project staff; Transarc Corporation; sanzi+@transarc.com
Indira Subramanian: CMU CS/ECE graduate student; indira@cs.cmu.edu
Avie Tevanian: CMU CS graduate student; NeXT; Avadis_Tevanian@Next.Com
Mary Thompson: Mach project staff; Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory; mrt@cs.cmu.edu E-mail: MRThompson@lbl.gov
Bob Wheeler: CMU CS graduate student; D. E. Shaw & Co.; bobw@cs.cmu.edu E-mail: bobw@deshaw.com
Zon Williams: ITC Mach staff; zon@andrew.cmu.edu
Michael Young: CMU CS graduate student; Transarc Corporation; mwyoung@cs.cmu.edu

You know.. when you brought up the CMU (Carnegie-Mellon University) connection.. it got me to remembering a University Professor that I would trust to make a statement on Windows vs. Unix security. A CMU alum from before Dr. Rashid's time, who is credited as the Father of the Computer virus. At least he was the first to define the term "Computer Virus".

From Kosmoi.com

Experiments with Computer Viruses

When H.A.R.L.I.E. was One,

The Shockwave Rider

Now if Dr. Cohen would come out with a study saying Windows was more secure, then I would stand up and take notice. But, alas he probably wouldn't as he wrote an article comparing security for closed vs. open source software already (now a couple of years old still is pretty accurate)

And just by the way, Linus Torvalds did teach Computer Science at the University of Helsinki, he just never got his Piled Higher and Deeper before he decided to come to America to work for Transmeta.