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To: KwasiOwusu
My argument is and has been that the study sited in this article is flawed. It is flawed because it measures differences between the way Microsoft and Linux handles security problems rather than any real difference in Security because. Anyone who runs both of these OS's, Like MYSELF and several other professionals that have posted in this thread who definitely have fought these battles on a day to day basis and I have had one Linux box compromised in my whole career, but you almost can't keep the crud out of any Windows box without constant care, attention, 3 security scanners, update weekly or even daily, it just goes on.. and on.. why waste my time trying to give you a hint of a clue.

If you had a clue about the Mach kernel, that would be different too..

I don't know where the crack about manners came from. I guess just something to say.

I guess I need to support my assertion that Dr. Rashid wasn't the only person who worked on the Mach kernel. Still, I owe the bunch of them my thanks for their efforts and the foundation of the OS I like so much.

Current Mach Project Team Members

- David Golub
Mach project staff
Currently working on real-time enhancements to the micro-kernel and the Unix server
dbg@cs.cmu.edu
- J. Mark Stevenson
Mach project staff
Currently working on Multi-Server
jms@cs.cmu.edu
- Dan Stodolsky
CMU CS graduate student
Now working on Parallel Data Lab project support for disk arrays
danner@cs.cmu.edu

Past Mach Project Team Members

- Robert Baron
Mach project staff
Now working for Computer Security Project at CMU
rvb@cs.cmu.edu
- Joseph Barrera
CMU CS graduate student
Researcher, Microsoft Corporation
joebar@microsoft.com
- David Black
CMU CS graduate student
Open Software Foundation Research Institute - Senior Research Fellow
dlb@osf.org
- Brian Bershad
CMU CS Faculty Member, Mach PI
University of Washington Faculty Member
bershad@cs.washington.edu
- Dave Bohman
ITC Mach staff
NeXT
dbohman@next.com
- Bill Bolosky
Mach project staff
Researcher, Microsoft Corporation
bolosky@microsoft.com
- Jose Brustoloni
CMU CS graduate student
Now working for HIPPI Nectar and VC Nectar
jcb@cs.cmu.edu
- Jonathan Chew
Mach project staff
Stanford University
jjc@mojave.stanford.edu
- Randall Dean
Mach project staff
Open Software Foundation Research Institute - Senior Research Engineer
rwd@osf.org
- Rich Draves
CMU CS graduate student
Researcher, Microsoft Corporation
rpd@cs.cmu.edu
- Alessandro Forin
CMU CS Research faculty
Researcher, Microsoft Corporation
sandrof@microsoft.com
- Jeffrey Friedl
Visiting Researcher from Omron
Omron Corporation
jfriedl@nff.ncl.omron.co.jp
- Michael Ginsburg
CMU Math Undergraduate
Microsoft Corportation
- Lori Iannamico
Mach project staff
Distribution co-ordinator
lli@cs.cmu.edu
- Michael Jones
CMU CS graduate student
Researcher, Microsoft Corporation
mbj@microsoft.com
- Daniel Julin
CMU CS graduate student
Researcher, Isis Distributed Systems
dpj@cs.cmu.edu or dpj@isis.com
- Chris Maeda
CMU CS graduate student
Currently in residence at University of Washington
cmaeda@cs.washington.edu
- Rob Malan
Mach project staff
Graduate Student at University of Michigan
grm@cs.cmu.edu
- Manish Modh
CMU Undergraduate in Math
IBM Boca.
mmal+@andrew.cmu.edu
- Doug Orr
Mach project staff
Graduate Student University of Utah
dbo@cs.utah.edu
- Rick Rashid
CMU CS Faculty Member, Mach PI
Director of Research at Microsoft Corporation
rashid@microsoft.com
- Richard Sanzi
Mach project staff
Transarc Corporation
sanzi+@transarc.com
- Indira Subramanian
CMU CS/ECE graduate student
indira@cs.cmu.edu
- Avie Tevanian
CMU CS graduate student
NeXT
Avadis_Tevanian@Next.Com
- Mary Thompson
Mach project staff
Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
mrt@cs.cmu.edu E-mail: MRThompson@lbl.gov
- Bob Wheeler
CMU CS graduate student
D. E. Shaw & Co.
bobw@cs.cmu.edu E-mail: bobw@deshaw.com
- Zon Williams
ITC Mach staff
zon@andrew.cmu.edu
- Michael Young
CMU CS graduate student
Transarc Corporation
mwyoung@cs.cmu.edu

306 posted on 02/17/2005 8:54:57 PM PST by dalight
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To: dalight

wow. Now, that's a post! Anyway, thanks to everyone who helped make this a very informative thread. It's midnight here and 5:00 comes early ... 'night all!


308 posted on 02/17/2005 9:03:22 PM PST by usgator
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To: dalight
"Anyone who runs both of these OS's, Like MYSELF and several other professionals that have posted in this thread who definitely have fought these battles on a day to day basis and I have had one Linux box compromised in my whole career, but you almost can't keep the crud out of any Windows box without constant care, attention, 3 security scanners, update weekly or even daily, it just goes on."

Your claims are in direct conflict with the findings of this test.
Trouble is, I see boasts like yours about how "rock solid" the security of Linux is everyday at slashdot, without an iota of proof to back it up.
One thing everyone knows, the open source crazies lie through their teeth every single day with their boasts about so-called "rock solid" Firefox or Linux security, and how they never had a single security breach , or in your case just one security breach (yeah right) in their entire lives,, something that is not supported by the facts in real life.
I have posted a few threads on the huge security holes found in both Linux and Firefox on this board, only to have the same open source crazies who used to scream about "rock solid" security in Firefox and Linux, baxckpedal at great speed and claim they never said open source was super secure in the first place.
You just keep getting funnier by the minute.
314 posted on 02/18/2005 12:04:36 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: dalight
"I guess I need to support my assertion that Dr. Rashid wasn't the only person who worked on the Mach kernel"

Rick Rashid is still the one who is credited with developing the Mach multiprocessor operating system, which has been influential in the design of many modern operating systems and remains at the core of a number of commercial systems.
Of course most professors get some of the legwork done by their students in any research project.
That doesn't mean those students are credited with having invented or developed what was invented or developed.

Still doesn't explain your weird claim that:

"dalight: "The only University professor that I know who wrote a major operating system that enjoys any market share today is Linus Torvalds"

Does it?
You just keep lying and hope no one catches you out, don't you? Normal open source fanatic practice..

Ummm about Linus Torvalds being a professor like you claimed.. what university was that at again?

You don't have a clue what you are talking about do you?
You just keep making things up.
315 posted on 02/18/2005 12:24:14 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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