To: KwasiOwusu
My argument is and has been that the study sited in this article is flawed. It is flawed because it measures differences between the way Microsoft and Linux handles security problems rather than any real difference in Security because. Anyone who runs both of these OS's, Like MYSELF and several other professionals that have posted in this thread who definitely have fought these battles on a day to day basis and I have had one Linux box compromised in my whole career, but you almost can't keep the crud out of any Windows box without constant care, attention, 3 security scanners, update weekly or even daily, it just goes on.. and on.. why waste my time trying to give you a hint of a clue.
If you had a clue about the Mach kernel, that would be different too..
I don't know where the crack about manners came from. I guess just something to say.
I guess I need to support my assertion that Dr. Rashid wasn't the only person who worked on the Mach kernel. Still, I owe the bunch of them my thanks for their efforts and the foundation of the OS I like so much.
Current Mach Project Team Members
- David Golub
- Mach project staff
- Currently working on real-time enhancements to the micro-kernel and the Unix server
- dbg@cs.cmu.edu
- J. Mark Stevenson
- Mach project staff
- Currently working on Multi-Server
- jms@cs.cmu.edu
- Dan Stodolsky
- CMU CS graduate student
- Now working on Parallel Data Lab project support for disk arrays
- danner@cs.cmu.edu
Past Mach Project Team Members
- Robert Baron
- Mach project staff
- Now working for Computer Security Project at CMU
- rvb@cs.cmu.edu
- Joseph Barrera
- CMU CS graduate student
- Researcher, Microsoft Corporation
- joebar@microsoft.com
- David Black
- CMU CS graduate student
- Open Software Foundation Research Institute - Senior Research Fellow
- dlb@osf.org
- Brian Bershad
- CMU CS Faculty Member, Mach PI
- University of Washington Faculty Member
- bershad@cs.washington.edu
- Dave Bohman
- ITC Mach staff
- NeXT
- dbohman@next.com
- Bill Bolosky
- Mach project staff
- Researcher, Microsoft Corporation
- bolosky@microsoft.com
- Jose Brustoloni
- CMU CS graduate student
- Now working for HIPPI Nectar and VC Nectar
- jcb@cs.cmu.edu
- Jonathan Chew
- Mach project staff
- Stanford University
- jjc@mojave.stanford.edu
- Randall Dean
- Mach project staff
- Open Software Foundation Research Institute - Senior Research Engineer
- rwd@osf.org
- Rich Draves
- CMU CS graduate student
- Researcher, Microsoft Corporation
- rpd@cs.cmu.edu
- Alessandro Forin
- CMU CS Research faculty
- Researcher, Microsoft Corporation
- sandrof@microsoft.com
- Jeffrey Friedl
- Visiting Researcher from Omron
- Omron Corporation
- jfriedl@nff.ncl.omron.co.jp
- Michael Ginsburg
- CMU Math Undergraduate
- Microsoft Corportation
- Lori Iannamico
- Mach project staff
- Distribution co-ordinator
- lli@cs.cmu.edu
- Michael Jones
- CMU CS graduate student
- Researcher, Microsoft Corporation
- mbj@microsoft.com
- Daniel Julin
- CMU CS graduate student
- Researcher, Isis Distributed Systems
- dpj@cs.cmu.edu or dpj@isis.com
- Chris Maeda
- CMU CS graduate student
- Currently in residence at University of Washington
- cmaeda@cs.washington.edu
- Rob Malan
- Mach project staff
- Graduate Student at University of Michigan
- grm@cs.cmu.edu
- Manish Modh
- CMU Undergraduate in Math
- IBM Boca.
- mmal+@andrew.cmu.edu
- Doug Orr
- Mach project staff
- Graduate Student University of Utah
- dbo@cs.utah.edu
- Rick Rashid
- CMU CS Faculty Member, Mach PI
- Director of Research at Microsoft Corporation
- rashid@microsoft.com
- Richard Sanzi
- Mach project staff
- Transarc Corporation
- sanzi+@transarc.com
- Indira Subramanian
- CMU CS/ECE graduate student
- indira@cs.cmu.edu
- Avie Tevanian
- CMU CS graduate student
- NeXT
- Avadis_Tevanian@Next.Com
- Mary Thompson
- Mach project staff
- Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
- mrt@cs.cmu.edu E-mail: MRThompson@lbl.gov
- Bob Wheeler
- CMU CS graduate student
- D. E. Shaw & Co.
- bobw@cs.cmu.edu E-mail: bobw@deshaw.com
- Zon Williams
- ITC Mach staff
- zon@andrew.cmu.edu
- Michael Young
- CMU CS graduate student
- Transarc Corporation
- mwyoung@cs.cmu.edu
306 posted on
02/17/2005 8:54:57 PM PST by
dalight
To: dalight
wow. Now, that's a post! Anyway, thanks to everyone who helped make this a very informative thread. It's midnight here and 5:00 comes early ... 'night all!
308 posted on
02/17/2005 9:03:22 PM PST by
usgator
To: dalight
"Anyone who runs both of these OS's, Like MYSELF and several other professionals that have posted in this thread who definitely have fought these battles on a day to day basis and I have had one Linux box compromised in my whole career, but you almost can't keep the crud out of any Windows box without constant care, attention, 3 security scanners, update weekly or even daily, it just goes on."
Your claims are in direct conflict with the findings of this test.
Trouble is, I see boasts like yours about how "rock solid" the security of Linux is everyday at slashdot, without an iota of proof to back it up.
One thing everyone knows, the open source crazies lie through their teeth every single day with their boasts about so-called "rock solid" Firefox or Linux security, and how they never had a single security breach , or in your case just one security breach (yeah right) in their entire lives,, something that is not supported by the facts in real life.
I have posted a few threads on the huge security holes found in both Linux and Firefox on this board, only to have the same open source crazies who used to scream about "rock solid" security in Firefox and Linux, baxckpedal at great speed and claim they never said open source was super secure in the first place.
You just keep getting funnier by the minute.
To: dalight
"I guess I need to support my assertion that Dr. Rashid wasn't the only person who worked on the Mach kernel"
Rick Rashid is still the one who is credited with developing the Mach multiprocessor operating system, which has been influential in the design of many modern operating systems and remains at the core of a number of commercial systems.
Of course most professors get some of the legwork done by their students in any research project.
That doesn't mean those students are credited with having invented or developed what was invented or developed.
Still doesn't explain your weird claim that:
"dalight: "The only University professor that I know who wrote a major operating system that enjoys any market share today is Linus Torvalds"
Does it?
You just keep lying and hope no one catches you out, don't you? Normal open source fanatic practice..
Ummm about Linus Torvalds being a professor like you claimed.. what university was that at again?
You don't have a clue what you are talking about do you?
You just keep making things up.
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