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Modern Psychology and Priest Sex Abuse
Culture Wars ^ | 5/2004 | Patrick Guinan, M.D.

Posted on 02/16/2005 11:18:59 AM PST by Aquinasfan

The current crisis of sexual abuse by priests has shaken the self confidence of the American Catholic Church. The role of the complicity of and cover up by the bishops is significant, but the essential problem in about 90 percent of cases appears to be sexual abuse of adolescent males by priests. This is, by definition, homosexual behavior and is technically called ephebophilia. While priestly sexual abuse of this sort has always occurred, its incidence seems to have increased in the 1970s and 1980s. Why is this so?

It is the contention of this essay that there were significant changes in psychological theory as taught in Catholic Universities and practiced in seminary formation programs in the 1950s-1960s, the practical results of which became manifest only after Vatican II. It was, in essence, the acceptance of a new psychological theory that resulted in, on the part of priests, the loosening of the moral restraints on personal behavior, but especially, relative to the current crisis, on genital sexual activity.

As a paradigm of this process we will explore the work of Eugene Kennedy, who in 1972 was commissioned by, and wrote a book for, the United States Catholic bishops. The psychological theory utilized by Kennedy is representative of the model that provided the rationalization for the behavior resulting in the current problem.

The problem arose as the result of a number of factors, all of which are associated with the career of Eugene Kennedy. In order to explain both the problem and the career we need to: 1) describe the Aristotelian psychology that had traditionally characterized the Church's position, 2) outline the flawed contemporary Freudian psychology that replaced it, 3) describe, as a paradigm example, Eugene Kennedy's book Psychological Investigations,1 4) demonstrate the temporal relationship between the promulgation of this Freudian psychology and the rise in priestly sexual abuse and finally, 5) suggest a solution.

Classical Psychology

The traditional psychology that has sustained western civilization was Aristotelian in origin and was characterized as realist. A human person existed in the real world and consisted of a body and a soul, or animating principle, which conferred on that person his humanity. A human person has vegetative (nutrition and reproduction) and animal (sensation and memory) powers, or abilities. But man also has immaterial powers such as intellect and will. These rational powers in the human body constitute the soul or vitalizing principle of the human person.

The human person has certain habits or tendencies that can direct and perfect, with their development, human tendencies or passions such as for nutrition and generation. These are the virtues, and their counterparts are the vices. One of the virtues, temperance, controls among other passions, the sexual drive. Without this virtue there would be sexual anarchy and no family or civil life. An ascetical corollary of temperance is chastity or the restraint of the sexual drive for more noble purposes such as altruism or religious beliefs.

Over the course of the centuries there have been a number of challenges to Aristotelian psychology, particularly from the idealists who stated that objects and persons were not real but only reflections of ideas. The Enlightenment posed the most serious threat to classical psychology by turning its hierarchy upside down, placing appetite above reason. Positivism posed another threat, but the greatest threat came from Freudian psychology. Classical psychology was universally taught in Catholic psychology departments and seminary formation programs until the 1950s and 1960s when Freudian psychology replaced it.

Contemporary Psychology

Contemporary psychology could be said to have begun with Wilhelm Wundt (1832-1920), when in 1879 he established his psycho-physiological laboratory in Leipzig. His research was to be scientific and mathematical. He observed the behavior of humans and animals, quantitated the individual observations, and formed hypotheses and theories. Wundt's psychology limited itself to the quantification of observed behavior. In a word, contemporary science and psychology are forms of a philosophical system called positivism, which only recognizes individual observed material objects. Anything immaterial or conceptual such as religious experience and chastity do not exist and are ignored. This crass form of materialism is opposed to idealism as well as realism, which says that the human mind can comprehend objects and determine their commonality or universality. A positivist denies all immaterial considerations.

Wundt's experimental psychology laboratory was enthusiastically imitated in Europe and the United States. Its influence spilled over into educational theory in the writing of Edward Thorndike and Thomas Dewey. The movement was strongly influenced by Charles Darwin's theory of evolution. Medicine was impacted by the study of neuropsychiatric diseases by Emil Kraepelin and hypnotism by Jean-Martin Charcot. Charcot's most famous student was Sigmund Freud (1856-1939), and his psychological theories grew out of the same Zeitgeist.

Freud's theory, based upon his clinical observations of neurotic patients, posited a human personality comprised of a superego, ego and an id. He, along with Josef Breuer, developed the concept of repression which was the unconscious mental suppression of adverse experiences. The sex drive was the most important emotional force and the denial of its expression could result in repression. Not to act out sexual urges was abnormal. Freud was fundamentally a materialist.

Freud's ideas were further developed by Carl Jung and Alfred Adler as well as many lesser disciples. One of them was Eric Erickson whose theories, as we will note later, had a profound effect on Eugene Kennedy, who was to use them as his psychological model. Erickson's psychological system listed eight developmental stages: 1) the first year of life, 2) through the second year, 3) from age three to six, 4) from age of six to puberty, 5) adolescence, 6) early adulthood, 7) young and middle adulthood, and 8) later adulthood. Each stage had to be successfully worked through for normal development. Stage six required sexual intimacy and expression.

The flaw in Freud's theory is his basic positivism which is materialist and as such cannot rise above animal characteristics when discussing human behavior. A problem arises when aspects of the human personality such as the virtues are considered. As previously mentioned a virtue is a habit of the human rational powers. An example would be the virtue of temperance whereby a person would choose not be promiscuous. Chastity is an aspect of temperance which inclines a person to deliberately forego sexual relations for ascetical purposes. For Freud and Erickson, this would be abnormal and possibly pathologic.

Religious experience has also been ignored by modern psychology. Viewing religion as a projection of human needs, Freud treated organized religion dismissively. Since religious belief is not directly measurable and quantitatable, it could not be the object of psychological investigations. This fact is remarkable inasmuch as all of recorded human history acknowledges a religious or transcendent dimension to human experience. William James2 and Rudolph Otto3 have documented the human universality of, and need for, religious belief. Even more recently Mircea Eliade4 and Joseph Campbell5 have documented the presence of the "sacred" in all major human cultures.

Psychological Investigations

In 1972 Eugene Kennedy, then a Maryknoll priest, was commissioned by the United States Catholic bishops to conduct a study of the psychology of priests. This was unfortunate for a variety of reasons, not the least of which was the fact that Kennedy based his evaluation on the psychological theory of Eric Erickson, a Freudian, and therefore a materialist.

Eugene Kennedy's book, Psychological Investigations, involved a psychological evaluation of 271 priests, one which relied heavily on a variety of measuring instruments including Rorschach tests, MMPI tests, and interviews. His subjects were priests, whom he categorized as either psychologically "developed" or "not developed.". Of the priests he studied, he placed 19 (or 7 percent) in the former category and 252 (or 93 percent) in the category of "not developed." Of those not developed priests, 50 (20 percent) were developing, 179 (71 percent), remained underdeveloped and 23 (9 percent) remained maldeveloped. These are remarkable results.

The standard against which the priests were judged was Erickson's development scale. Because the majority of priests were underdeveloped, they remained in Stage Six or the early adult stage, because in order to get beyond Stage Six, the priests would have to engage in "sexual intimacy."

In addition to being an assault on celibacy, there are two major problems with Psychological Investigations: 1) its premise is based on a flawed theory, and 2) possible investigator bias. Kennedy employed the developmental psychology of Eric Erickson as the model against which he judged the emotional development of priests. Erickson's developmental psychology is basically Freudian6 and as such has all of the same fatal deficiencies of Freud's psychology. It is positivistic and, therefore, materialistic. Freudian theory is incapable of acknowledging religious experience or integrating the concept of chastity or asceticism into its idea of healthy human development.

Priests, grounded in a strong sense of the transcendent, voluntarily take a vow of chastity. Not only is this not necessarily an indication of immaturity but, given the childhood catechesis and the ascetical example usually reflected in devout parents, the young man who makes this vow may have a level of maturity even exceeding that of his peers. Freudian psychology is incapable of either recognizing that aspect of the virtue of temperance known as chastity, or acknowledging behavior motivated by an appreciation of the transcendent.

Freud, while a perceptive psychiatrist, whose insight into the role of repression in neurosis has been a major clinical contribution, was fundamentally a positivist. Positivism is basically a philosophical form of materialism that limits investigators to sense experience. Modern science is positivist in as much as it limits itself to the mathematically quantified observed behavior of material objects in order to turn those observations into hypotheses and theories. Modern psychology is positivist and as such is incompatible with a rational psychology which is Aristotelian. Rational psychology posits that man is a rational animal, that is a bodily substance infused with a human soul, and therefore appreciative of ascetical virtues in the transcendent order.

The relevance of this reiteration for our discussion is to point out the difficulty Erickson, and therefore Kennedy, will have in integrating certain aspects, such as the ascetical dimension of a priest's psychological make up into their psychological model. Sexual needs are an aspect of human nature, but so is reason, and man's rational powers also include the moral virtues which act as a restraint on appetite, or habits of behavior which include temperance, an aspect of which is chastity. Erickson is incapable of including chastity into Stage Six of his developmental frameword because he is a positivist.

When Kennedy examined priests he concluded that 93 percent were "not developed," because their emotional growth was arrested at Stage Six. The possibility that they might be practicing the virtue of chastity, which would have no value to a positivist, completely escaped Kennedy and as a result was not included in his psychological testing model. As a result Kennedy came to view chastity as psychologically abnormal. By definition, then, priests are abnormal or "not developed". By begging the question, Kennedy created a self-fulfilling prophecy for the Church. His conclusion, based on Erickson's Stage Six, that lack of sexual intimacy was incompatible with psychological development was also at variance with the constant teaching of the Catholic Church, as well as all other major human cultures.

One also wonders about possible investigator bias. When Kennedy began his research resulting in the book Psychological Investigations he was a Maryknoll priest. When he finished it he got laicized and married. Obviously, if one demonstrated "scientifically" that celibacy was abnormal, and that its practice inhibited personal development, then leaving the priesthood and marrying was breaking solemn promises but rather something logical and healthy. In the 1970s, the post-Vatican II exodus from the priesthood was in full swing. There was a sense at that time that the Church's rule of celibacy needed to be relaxed. A "scientific" psychological study demonstrating that celibacy was abnormal and inhibited emotional development gave impetus to the sense and the exodus. The fact that Kennedy's thesis was based on a flawed Freudian positivistic philosophy was not recognized at the time. His study was accepted by the American bishops, and his conclusion that priestly celibacy is abnormal and detrimental pervades much of dissident writing to this day. Not only did Kennedy's thesis lend support to those priests who wanted to reject their vows and leave the priesthood, but it can also be argued that it was the cause, in part, of the current priest sex abuse crisis in the Catholic Church.

Priest Abuse

Sexual abuse of minors is a societal problem. The fact that it occurs less frequently among priests than among other segments of society does not lessen its damaging effects to the Church, especially given our culture's animus against the Roman Catholic Church and their eagerness to use any scandal as a way of weakening the Church's influence in society.

If repression is portrayed as psychologically unhealthy, it can be argued that Kennedy's Psychological Investigations and its flawed psychology gave support and justification to beliefs that resulted in the sex abuse of minors. Erickson's insistence that sexual intimacy was essential to successfully traverse developmental stage six, justified sexual acting out in general, but it also justified sexual activity with predominantly male minors, who because of their proximity were the targets of abusive priests.

Prior to Vatican II the Catholic community adhered to a rigid sexual morality. Sexual activity outside of marriage was strictly forbidden. Forces in secular society relying on the questionable research of Freud and Alfred Kinsey were promoting more liberal policies and even sexual liberation. Some theologians emphasizing "love over law" suggested that individual conscience could arbitrarily pick and choose any sexual behavior. The dissent against Humanae Vitae, unchallenged by the bishops, only encouraged and promoted the acceptance of Kennedy's premise.

When Psychological Investigations was published in 1972, it relied on Erickson's and Freud's materialist psychology, which posited unrestrained sexual behavior as inevitable and healthy. Seminary formation programs as well as individual priests accepted Kennedy uncritically and in an effort to move beyond Stage Six and become normal through sexual intimacy began acting out sexually. Since priests, many of whom were homosexually inclined, had ready access to adolescent males, this vulnerable group of victims was disproportionately targeted. While some abusers were implicated in serial rapes many involved only isolated cases. Nonetheless most involved coercion and all were breaches of both the sixth and ninth commandments as well as the vow of chastity. The scandal, now involving hundreds of cases, has resulted in significant damage to efforts at evangelization in the United States, to say nothing of the staggering financial losses.

Solution

The publicity given to the priest abuse scandal has resulted in a strong episcopal policy of discipline for those priests guilty of sexual abuse. This form of abuse is serious, and appropriate punishment of abusers, as well as punishment for colluding bishops, is indicated, but more importantly, the scandal calls for vigorous pastoral care for all victims.

Most importantly, however, is the need to reassert the perennial position of the Catholic Church regarding the psychology of human sexuality. That position posits a rational soul in a human body. Men and women have sexual inclinations which are under the control of the intellect and will. The virtue of temperance allows them the human freedom to control the sexual drive and at times, for a valid reason, not to exercise it. The ascetical practice of chastity is desirable and to be promoted.

The traditional position, the one that has guided the Church for 2000 years, should be re-emphasized. Classical psychology needs to be reintroduced to all seminaries and into as many psychology departments of Catholic universities as is possible. Materialist and positivistic psychologies, such as that reflected in Kennedy's Psychological Investigations should be specifically repudiated by the United States bishops. The priest sex abuse crisis has been perhaps the greatest scandal to befall the Catholic Church in the United States. With God's assistance, good may yet come of it, not the least of which good would be the return of a realist psychology of sexuality and asceticism.

Notes 1. Kennedy, Eugene and Heckler, Victor. The Catholic Priest in the United States: Psychological Investigations (Washington DC, US Catholic Conference, 1972).
2. James, William, The Varieties of Religious Experience: A Study in Human Nature (New York: Longmans Green, 1902).
3. Otto, Rudolph. The Idea of the Holy (London, 1923).
4. Eliade Mircea. The Sacred and the Profane; The Nature of Religion (New York: Harcourt & Brace, 1961).
5. Campbell, Joseph. The Masks of God: Primitive Mythology (New York: Viking, 1960).
6. Maddie, Salvatore. Personality Theories: A Comparative Analysis (Dorsey Press).


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To: BLASTER 14

abstinence needs to be removed and let Priests and Nuns marry. Know matter how good your heart is you cannot deny the normal human desire for sex. Maybe this will help so that they do not prey on others.


41 posted on 02/17/2005 8:09:35 AM PST by TheForceOfOne (Social Security – I thought pyramid schemes were illegal!)
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To: Aquinasfan

I don't buy the bishops' excuse that they "didn't know" or "didn't realize" or that "the psychologists told us" this or that. These are blatant lies. After twenty or thirty years of failure and a billion dollars paid out in hush money, and tens of thousands of ruined lives, you KNOW. Claiming you don't, insults our intelligence and feeds into the mentality of Catholics who WANT to whitewash this scandal rather than do something about the systemic corruption that caused it.

As far as I'm concerned, this is just one more attempt to foist onto Psychology the moral failures of the bishops themselves and the failure of the hierarchical Church in general to clean up its own corruption. And I do not exclude the Pope most especially in all this. Even in his prime he was more interested in the p.r. aspects of the scandals than in any real reform. He did all he could in the way of damage control, but was very little interested in firing anybody or imposing discipline. No reform of the system was ever contemplated.


42 posted on 02/17/2005 8:25:17 AM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ninenot

similar efforts go with the higher law schools. (diploma mills take anyone) But there is a view on law school admissions committees that "liberals" are better legal thinkers than "less intelligent" conservatives.

The concept is to to control law by producing a higher volume of left leaning lawyers. (ie, less likely to care that the ACLU is a comunist founded and run organization.)


43 posted on 02/17/2005 8:40:28 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: TheForceOfOne; ninenot
On your homepage, you state that you are not religious. Some observations are in order.

First, sexual activity, however enjoyable, rewarding and desireable, is NOT the be-all and end-all of human existence. You can too "deny the normal human desire for sex" just as many recovering alcoholics or drug users or smokers or whatever can deny those desires. No one said it would be easy or comfortable or convenient.

Second, we are talking about the Roman Catholic Church to which I belong. Any man who wants to be a priest and also be married may seek the priesthood in any rite of the Catholic Church OTHER than the Roman Rite: Maronite, Greek, Ukrainian, etc. The Roman Rite wages war with the secular world and the non-Catholic world over this question of celibacy and that angers those worlds.

Third, you do not know what you are talking about. This is a matter of fact and not of rival beliefs. Celibacy has a proven track record of success as a religious way of life. Neither Mother Teresa, nor Teresa of Avila nor Francis of Assisi nor John the Baptist nor Jesus Christ Himself would have been more effective by engaging in sexual behavior with or without marriage.

Bear in mind that the scandal is not so much a scandal of engaging in sexuality, per se. If the priests accused and convicted had been carrying on with all too available single women, there would be sinfulness to be sure but it would have been the sinfulness of unnatural behavior which is the real source of the scandal here. That priests are sinners is no surprise. Most every one of us and of priests is a sinner. If and when you are married, will your wife have to keep an eye on you lest you try to seduce the eight-year-old newspaper boy? Mine won't and doesn't. For the most part we are discussing a scandal that has to do with the always unnatural (as the Church teaches) acts of homosexuality and rather often child abuse of a homosexual nature. Abuse of youth and "sex" with those of the same sex: a double dose of perversion that does NOT arise from celibacy or Holy Orders.

I suspect that you mean well but I do not think you have thought this through. You will never see the day when nuns are allowed to marry in any rite of Catholicism. May you never see the day when Roman Catholic priests of the Roman rite are allowed to marry. We do admit to the priesthood clergy from Anglicanism and Lutheranism who are already married but, like our married deacons, they are not allowed to marry again if they become widowed after ordination.

44 posted on 02/17/2005 8:47:54 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: TheForceOfOne

Ummmnhhh..I'll try to be nice about this.

Please check with the Protestant churches re: the incidence of sexual abuse with their MARRIED ministers.

You'll find it's about the same (total incidence) although the Prots would rather abuse women than little boys.


45 posted on 02/17/2005 8:50:42 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ultima ratio; ninenot
Of course, those of us who ARE Catholic have much higher stakes in this matter than do schismatics. Since JP II excommunicated your heroes (Marcel and the Econe 4) and declared your movement a schism, we understand that you believe he can do no right. It is pleasing that you have left the Roman catholic Church. It is displeasing that you fail and refuse to admit that at the beginning of each of your posts attacking pope and bishops as you pose as Catholic.

Tempus fugit. Memento more.

Roma locuta. Causa finita.

Ubi Petrus. Ibi Ecclesia.

Juan Paolo Segundo. Il papa del mundo.

46 posted on 02/17/2005 8:54:40 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

Recovering alcoholics, drug users, and smokers fight to resist a man made product. Sexual desire is primal, a natural human desire to procreate being obstructed by a ideological train of thought. You cannot suppress the normal human desire to mate and if you do we are all doomed to the fate of the Dinosaurs.


47 posted on 02/17/2005 8:55:37 AM PST by TheForceOfOne (Social Security – I thought pyramid schemes were illegal!)
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To: ninenot; Aquinasfan
Paul Blanshard was a bitter enemy of Roman Catholicism who founded an organization called: "Protestants and Other Americans United for Separation of Church and State." The group is now known as simply: "Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Blanshard's successor in our day is a Congregationalist minister, the Rev. Mr. Barry Lynn, who can be seen on most news networks spouting anti-Catholicism and lately anti-religion generally in the public square.

Catholics should not hold the evils of that organization or of Blanshard or of Lynn against reformed Christians who may accept or not accept the name Protestant. Protestantism has little or nothing to do with the organization or with Blanshard or with Lynn.

If Angela Davis or Barbara Boxer were chosen to replace Lynn, no one would notice much difference other than as to race and gender in the case of Davis or simply gender in the case of Boxer.

48 posted on 02/17/2005 9:06:23 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: TheForceOfOne; ninenot; Mershon; ArrogantBustard
I married at 40 and have been blessed with three children. Nonetheless, sexual desire is not on a par with the actual human need for oxygen or nourishment. Some of us are obsessed with money and others are not. Do you think Mother Teresa would have done better if married? St. Teresa of Avila? St. Paul? St. John the Baptist? Jesus Christ? Prove it.

Are you tempted by the newspaper boy when your wife/girlfriend is unavailable?

Is sex an expression of love or some primal need? Why?

If some "primal need" to procreate is being frustrated in our time, it is being frustrated by birth control, homosexuality and abortion all of which are vigorously condemned by the Roman Catholic Church. Take that complaint to Planned Barrenhood or NARAL or NAMBLA. In that sense, you are correct in attributing frustration of the desire to procreate to an "ideological train of thought."

Man did not create the genetic makeup of nicotine, consumable alcohol or narcotics nor his own genetic makeup which, in many cases, made those substances attractive to him. Man simply abuses those commodities. Likewise, humans abuse each other in uses of sex for which God did not create sex. Do as you will in your own life. I have no desire to snoop. Most sinful behavior has specific temporal consequences. Alcoholics, for example, are more prone to cirrhosis than non-alcoholics, as a general rule. Likewise, smokers are more prone to lung cancer. Active homosexuals and needle-sharing narcotics users are more prone to AIDS and narcotics users are also more prone to overdosing than those who do not "dose."

Do you think that the dinosaurs just lost their instinct of procreation? The notion that we are enslaved by sexuality is just silly. It is also demeaning. It is also reflective of a notion that we are mortal animals only a little brighter than the average dinosaur. If that is what you believe, there will be little in the way of meaningful discussion between you and believers since you lack common reference points for meaningful discussion with us and we lack them in respect to you.

If priests or nuns (!?!?) do not procreate at all, we will be in no danger of underpopulation, much less extinction, any time soon.

We may go the way of the dinosaurs (temporally) if and when God says so and not one moment before. I believe that. You apparently do not. Therein, with all due respect, lies the relevant difference between thee and me (and other believers).

49 posted on 02/17/2005 9:31:39 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk
I married at 40 and have been blessed with three children.....

I see you failed the test of sexual desire, your points are moot. If you cannot backup what you preach with personal experience then all you are doing is expressing desire over reality. Suppression of desire as apposed to total elimination of desire lacks the underlying fact you cannot control it. You fail to control sexual offenders, rapists, pedophiles, etc. with ideology because it is only words. Short of brain altering drugs you fail. There is nothing wrong with Priests and Nuns marrying, having children, grandchildren, and enjoying the same things YOU enjoy in life. I find this hypocritical.
50 posted on 02/17/2005 9:42:26 AM PST by TheForceOfOne (Social Security – I thought pyramid schemes were illegal!)
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To: TheForceOfOne

"abstinence needs to be removed and let Priests and Nuns marry."

Yes, I am quite certain that will somehow keep the homosexual perverts out of the seminaries. Tell the homosexuals they will be allowed to marry women. That will certainly cure the problem...

/sarc


51 posted on 02/17/2005 9:46:02 AM PST by Mershon
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To: BlackElk

Forget about where I attend Mass on Sunday--stick to the issue. The system is corrupt because bishop-selection is based on cronyism, not on faith. The Pope has no problem with this and has appointed these mediocrities and perverts. He shows no interest in any sort of reform. That is the truth--and citing cliches in Latin by way of rebuttal is not only irrelevant, it's futile.


52 posted on 02/17/2005 9:47:19 AM PST by ultima ratio
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To: TheForceOfOne; BlackElk

Thank you for your opinion, un-informed and illogical as it may be.

Don't you have an appearance scheduled on Phil Donahue? You're late....


53 posted on 02/17/2005 9:48:15 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
Thank you for your opinion, un-informed and illogical as it may be...

Says you.
54 posted on 02/17/2005 9:52:31 AM PST by TheForceOfOne (Social Security – I thought pyramid schemes were illegal!)
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To: TheForceOfOne

"You cannot suppress the normal human desire to mate and if you do we are all doomed to the fate of the Dinosaurs."

Nonsense. Even modern psychology recognizes the possibility of religious sublimation of sexual impulses--it's an observable phenomenon. But it's foolish to suppose the Church expects this of everybody. It's a spiritual ideal that's for the chosen few.


55 posted on 02/17/2005 10:04:33 AM PST by ultima ratio
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To: Aquinasfan

Who cares about the psychology of pedophilia. Get them away from the kids NOW, and keep them away!


56 posted on 02/17/2005 10:04:57 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: sinkspur
The article is based on an observed correlation between a so-called "explosion" of abuse following on Kennedy's work. Leaving aside the obvious caution that correlation is not only not causation but is often irrelevant -- leaving that aside, it is also quite possible there was no "explosion".

It could be that the post-vatican II openness and democratization, and the general opening of all parts of society in the 60's and 70's exposed a practice that had been there -- how long?

The older victims, this theory would argue, are either more traditional subservient Catholics, or are dead.

I can't prove it, but neither can the author prove HIS thesis.

57 posted on 02/17/2005 10:05:03 AM PST by Taliesan (The power of the State to do good is the power of the State to do evil.)
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To: MEGoody

Exactly. They are pretending they were ill-informed by psychologists--for twenty and thirty years! What hogwash! Parents were complaining by the tens of thousands. Almost a billion dollars was paid out in hush money and armies of lawyers were intimidating victims on their behalf! And in all that while nobody thought to keep these priests away from boys? I don't think so. The real truth was probably much more sinister--that the priests themselves were blackmailing the bishops. Nothing else can explain the absurd lengths the bishops went to in order to protect the priest-offenders--over a period of decades!


58 posted on 02/17/2005 10:14:06 AM PST by ultima ratio
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To: Taliesan

You are wrong. There was no sudden "exposure" of a problem. The studies went back to the 40s and 50s. Many who defend Vatican II would like nothing better than to assume this had always been a major problem--but they would be wrong. There were cases, of course, but they were rare, nothing like the exponential explosion that occurred briefly in the 60s, and then in the 70s and 80s--and not only here but across Europe and Australia.


59 posted on 02/17/2005 10:19:25 AM PST by ultima ratio
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To: BlackElk
Paul Blanshard was a bitter enemy of Roman Catholicism who founded an organization called: "Protestants and Other Americans United for Separation of Church and State." The group is now known as simply: "Americans United for Separation of Church and State."

The picture becomes clearer...

60 posted on 02/17/2005 10:26:08 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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