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To: DTA
Strawman, DTA - either link to any post where I've denied the existence of camps, prisons, or detention centers used to hold Serb civilians in Bosnia or STFU.

And don't get all stupid trying to shift the blame for who started the war in Bosnia - I'll remind you that even after the Serbs started their ethnic cleansing campaign in April of '92, Izetbegovic was placing his trust in the JNA to provide protection and security for Bosnia's non-Serb citizens, and he was in the Croat's bad graces for doing nothing when the Serbs cleansed their way across a swathe of Southern Herzegovina in '91 on their way to Dubrovnik.

Allow me to jog your memory with some words from Radovan Karadzic, spoken in October of '91:

You want to take Bosnia-Herzegovina down the same highway of hell and suffering that Slovenia and Croatia are travelling. Do not think that you will not lead Bosnia-Herzegovina into hell, and do not think that you will not perhaps make the Muslim people disappear, because the Muslims cannot defend themselves if there is war - How will you prevent everyone from being killed in Bosnia-Herzegovina?

In light of your idiotic contention that it was the Muslims who were preparing for and instigated the war, what is Radovan talking about with his: "because the Muslims cannot defend themselves if there is war"?

Well?

Your major malfunction, DTA, is that you're operating under the presumption that everybody else is stupid enough to let you lie like a rug and not call you on it.

While your countrymen may be willing to let the wool be pulled over their eyes, rest assured, DTA, that not everybody is, and I can point to two different NATO bombing campaigns to back that up, and those, my little self deluded friend, are reality checks that you continue to ignore at your peril.

17 posted on 02/18/2005 2:30:21 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
The Bosnian Serbs wanted to maintain peace with an equal compromise. Here is a statement that Morillon made upon his arrival in Bosnia (1992) as the UN commander; “Mr. Milosevic, according to what I remember, from the very first days we met the parliament of Bosnia, and there was a speech by General Nambiar who said, ‘We are here to calm your fears. I am an Indian general, I am here with my head of the cabinet, a Pakistani, then there’s also a French general and a German diplomat. We are here to show you reconciliation is always possible.’ And this was a moving moment, because in response to this speech, a Serb got up, and he said, ‘I am a Serb, and next to me I have a Muslim. He’s my brother. And I don’t see how one day we could be confronted against one another.’”

In other words, there was no need for the Bosnian civil war.

On April 8, 1992, spurred on by the US government, there was a declaration of war by the Bosnian Muslim faction. The civil war in Bosnia then started.

Milosevic asked Morillon: “Did the Serbs kill anyone in that period? Do you have a single example that you could mention?” Morillon said that he did not know. There were “rumours” at the time that he heard about. Morillon conceded, however, that the civil war started in Bosnia with attacks against the Yugoslav National Army (JNA) by the Bosnian Muslim faction.

When did the real siege of Sarajevo start? Morillon replied: “I believe this was on the 2nd of May, 1992, after the command and recruits of the JNA were surrounded in the Marshal Tito barracks and the JNA attempted to pull out.” First the JNA was placed under siege and “then the siege of Sarajevo was actually in response to that.”

Milsoevic queried Morillon: “Is that right, General?” Morillon: “Initially, yes…” The siege of Sarajevo was a “provoked reaction.”

The first attack in Sarajevo occurred when Bosnian Muslim troops killed Yugoslav National Army (JNA) soldiers who were withdrawing from the city following an agreement to do so. The Bosnian Muslim forces attacked a JNA military column in Dobrovoljacka Street in Sarajevo as it was withdrawing. Several JNA soldiers were brutally murdered and their bodies burned and mutilated in these attacks. Their blackened, disfigured, and charred bodies lined the streets.

They had been ambushed and murdered for no other reason than because they were ethnic Serbs and Orthodox Christians. There had been an agreement for the withdrawal of the troops, which agreement the Muslim faction violated. This was a cold-blooded, premeditated massacre or provocative murder of JNA solders who were withdrawing to Yugoslavia.

It was a criminal act, it was murder. But the US government and media never condemned this Muslim crime, this Muslim massacre of Serbs. The so-called Western media did not even cover it. Milosevic asked Morillon: “Do you remember that?” Morillon replied: “Yes…there was a massacre.”

note Hoplites comment Izetbegovic was placing his trust in the JNA to provide protection and security for Bosnia's non-Serb citizens

18 posted on 02/18/2005 4:32:28 PM PST by ma bell ("Goddamn it, you'll never get the Purple Heart hiding in a foxhole! Follow me!" - Captain Henry P. ")
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To: Hoplite; dennisw; Ciexyz; MarMema; MosesKnows; Velveeta; sheik yerbouty; robowombat
>>>>>>>I'll remind you that even after the Serbs started their ethnic cleansing campaign in April of '92, <<<<<<<

The only thing you remind us over and over again is how Muslim shills brazenly falsify the historical facts in order to present Muslim side as innocent victims.

S

August 1991

Posusje, Bosnia and Herzegovina: HOS (Croatian forces from Croatia) have ambushed and murdered JNA NCO. Bosnia is part of Yugoslavia, JNA is regular Army and HOS is foreign army on Yugoslav soil.

Muslim Patriotic league has ambushed and murdered JNA lieutenant near Ljubace army depot, Tuzla municipality. JNA is regular Army, Patriotic league is terrorist organisation.

Muslim Patriotic league has ambushed and murdered JNA NCO in Sapna, Zvornik municipality, Bosnia and Herzegovina. BiH is part of Yugoslavia and JNA is regular army in BiH. Patriotic league is terrorist organisation.

October 01 1991; Army of Republic of Croatia has made an incursion into Bosnia and Hergegovina (then part of Yugoslavia) and murdered 14 soldiers of JNA in Ravno village, trebinje municipality. JNA is regular Army in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Attacked Army unit was under command of Colonel who was a Muslim.

T

March 02 1992: the first hate crime murder in Bosnia and Herzegovina. A Muslim Ramiz Delalic Celo killed in a wedding procession in the old town of Sarajevo the bridesgroom's father Nikola Gardovic, a Serb. This incident was used as pretext to start distribution of weapons to to Muslims. Also, it was a role model for copycat murder in Israel by Palestinian terrorists.

A mass liquidation of Sarajevo Serbs was planned for the ningt March 3/4 1992, When the Yugoslav People's Army (JNA) Command in Sarajevo informed Izetbegovic that they knew about the plan, on the same evening Izetbegovic, Radovan Karadzic and General Kukanjac called on the population over television to maintain peace and order.

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March 26, 1992. The forces of Republic of Croatia and Muslim Patriotic league have murdered more than 10 civilians. This is THE FIRST MASSACRE OF BOSNIAN CIVIL WAR

Joing Cro/Muslim forces have looted and torched village and took Serb civilians as prisoners.

U

Kupres, Bosnia and Herzegovina, early April 1992: Ten Serbs were killed in the village of Donji Malovan, and 92 imprisoned in a camp. Nine more Serbs were killed in Kupres suburbs. From April 4 to April 7, 1992, 21 Serbs were killed throughout Kupres, especially in the suburb of Kratez, in their homes or while trying to flee the besieged town. In a forest behind Mt. Crni Vrh, three Serbs from the village of Rilic were executed. A similar fate befell the Serbs from the neighboring village of Zanagline, and five of them were shot in the nearby forest. The eldest among them, Trailo Spremo, was 83. The village was torched. Three more members of the Spremo family were killed in the village of Botin. Between April 5 and April 7, 1992, 173 Serb civilians were taken from their homes, led camps in Western Herzegovina where they suffered horrible torture. Some of these people were later transferred to the Lora camp in Split, Croatia.

Before the alleged Serb ethic cleansing in Bosnia in April, the First individual Civilian victim of the Bosnian civil war was a Serb (Nikola Gardovic), the first massacre victims Were Serbs, the first inmates of Concentration camps were Serbs. The same crimes happenend in April 1941, the perps were the same and the victims were the same. It was no coicidence, Bosnian Muslim newsmagasine publicly announced the Arrival of the Fourth Reich and slaughering of Serbs. This is incitement to commit Genocide, as per ICTR Rwanda ruling.

Do I have to spell it for you?

20 posted on 02/18/2005 5:23:37 PM PST by DTA
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