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To: jpsb
"How is collective barganing in a capitalistic system communism? This I gotta hear."

Ok slowly and with feeling:

Your post had: "Unions are a neccessary evil, collective barganing is goodness... a standard mantra of the Socialist movement.

OK, and then I posted: "What is: "Communism works, it just hasn't been tried by the right people, yet." another mantra from the Socialists and then posted:

"I'll stick with "More Myths of Socialism" for 200 Alex

see it is a little play on Jeopardy and...

Oh never mind, it is like trying to explain color to a blind man.

419 posted on 02/15/2005 3:07:55 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Jpsb is capable, apparently, of noting the good done by something that he may or may not fully agree with. See, that's the nature of HONTESTLY persuing the right course for this nation. Unions once served a purpose - to give the workers some measure of equity against the slavemasters of business at the time.

The problem is - to the extent that the unions helped, that has been largely supplanted with a union structure today that is as abusive as the businesspeople they were a protest against. Not all unions are bad; but, when looking at some glowing examples, we find the UAW which has largely come to be as abusive to the employee as to the employer and seems to fail both - begging their real worth in the midst of the abuse.

Contracting for labor individually or collectively is the right of the people and such has been written into law in this country. So, whatever your opinion of it its irrelevant to the discussion. It's legal and has been for quite some time. But, I doubt very much that unions, given their track record, will survive the next century. If they can't be useful without being abusive to business and the worker, then they are fated to die out just as they were fated to exist.

You're beef seems to be, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, that you think unions are communistic and have no place her. Is that true, and if so, why? Do you think workers have no rights? If so, do you believe business has rights? Given that both are people, how is it that you suppose one may have rights where the other has none?.. if indeed you do believe that. Not trying to put words in your mouth here, just trying to ask the obvious questions and perhaps get some thinking going here instead of flip reactions.


425 posted on 02/15/2005 3:23:41 PM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade. Hang the traitors high)
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