Gays Debate Radical Steps to Curb Unsafe Sex

New York Times ^ | 2/14/05 | Andrew Jacobs

[andysandmikesmom]

In the situations you describe, those are acute situations, which involve emergency workers, and hospitals...and those places are always allowed to know HIV status...but for some reason, nursing homes were not afforded the same information...because nursing homes are not institutions, that take in acute situations....most people in nursing homes, are there to receive help with their daily living activities, or receive custodial care, rather than medical care, tho residents in nursing homes are allowed IVS and meds and such....

So nursing home workers were always put into a different category from EMT workers, and hospital workers...yet nursing home care workers may into contact with the residents bodily fluids(sorry for being graphic), may have to perform CPR on a resident, may accidentally receive an wound from a combative HIV positive resident...

You are right about symptoms of advanced cases of HIV patients being evident...however, I know for sure, that while I was working in the nursing home, I cared for two men who were HIV positive, and neither was in the advanced stages, so it was not evident...I knew, only because my charge nurse, took me aside, looked me in the eye, said, "your patient has a blood borne pathogen, do you understand", and she did not let me go, until she was sure that I understood exactly what she was saying...that my patient was HIV positive...

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[Richard Kimball]

People who work in nursing homes do a LOT of CPR. My first couple of years in the fire department, I was in a territory with three nursing homes, and they gave us a lot of CPR business. Nursing home workers are far more likely to come in contact with body fluids because of all the tending duties. Changing bandages, bedding, diapers, etc.

It takes a lot of patience, and the pay is generally not very good for any but the top brass.

I respect anyone who can do it and keep a good attitude. That being said, I always worried about AIDS less than I did the sixty zillion other communicable diseases around. When I started in the fire service (1970's), they didn't even issue gloves. Everything was bare handed, or fire gloves, and we worked car wrecks, burn injuries, you name it. Strangely enough, there was a lot of resistance to universal precautions when they were first introduced. Personally, I don't even begin an evaluation of someone now without gloves, even if I think all I'm going to do is take a blood pressure.

[Darkwolf377]

You're right, but it's not for want of trying. :)

[Darkwolf377]

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[DirtyHarryY2K]

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[TheMole]

As with most vices there are those that think legitimizing the vice in some fashion will somehow make people who are fundamentally out of control suddenly find control.

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[Mockingbird For Short]

.....then at least in this regard, you are a GREAT dad! Thanks for loving your kids.

[Free Vulcan]

The bottom line is that the gay community has with their own behavior funneled themselves to the point where they are backing into (no pun intended) their own contradictions.

With epidemics, death, pedophilia, skyrocketing health care costs, tight govt budgets, and other unignorable issues on the line, you either have to deal with the problem or officially acknowledge gays as a superior caste that is above all laws, morality, accountability, civility, and basic common sense.

You can only scream intolerance and discrimination to the point where you cross the line of trampling on other people's rights, and then the whole scam collapses on itself. Something has to be done to stop the carnage before people start really dropping like flies.

[Seeing More Clearly Now]

"Maybe at some point the psychiatrists will finally admit they were wrong in removing homosexuality from the diagnostic manual as an illness, something they did out of political correctness."

The book "Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, by Satinover, is a must read on this subject for anyone interested in this subject, including gays. Among other things, the book recounts how a small group, with outside urging and support, used political maneuvering to commandeer the American Psychological Association's policy board into eliminating homosexual behavior from the list of illnesses, even while all of the medical literature supports the fact that homosexuality is a disease and people were choosing to seek treatment and benefitting from that treatement. The small group even tried to get the organization's leadership to deem it professionally "unethical" to treat anyone who sought to break free of the homosexual behavior pattern. The AMA followed the lead of the APA. No one has the nerve to campaign to reverse the politically correct, but scientifically erroneous policy.

[beyond the sea]

Keep de peepee out o de poopoo.

ROFL.

"See this?" "See that?" "Don't stick this in that."

[MacDorcha]

"Ultimately, we reap what we sow, and the homos are doing lots of reaping."

Ironically, they aren't actually sewing anything!

[gobucks]

I'll bill you for the new keyboard I need ....

[gobucks]

"as with most vices there are those that think legitimizing the vice in some fashion will somehow make people who are fundtamentally out of control suddenly find control."

On the surface, I agree w/ you; and its sad. But, I'll add that finding control ... well, in effect, a lifetime behind bars is what many men find is quite controlling and suffiently addresses a need they have seen to it that needed to be met. It is no accident that almost all men behind bars grew up w/o a dad.

Most gay men, as well, grow up in a similar dad-deficit environment. AIDS is another kind of prison, and thus the control they seek is found.

So, the rationale is nutty as you rightly observe, unless you put yourself in their shoes ... for what they pursue is after all, control.

Feminism, gay nuttiness, porn epidemic; all are the mold that grows by default when guys fail to grow into men and be the fathers God has called them to be...

[gobucks]

"I agree with Jesse. Further, I submit that AIDS is a product
of natural selection, ala Darwin"

Hmmmm. A mention of Darwin. Pardon me, democratslayer, but I would be interested if this comment qualifies as a rational point of view held by others .... or is this a misapplication of reason?

[gobucks]

"Men are the gas pedal in a sexual relationship females are the brakes."

Incorrect. Godlessness is the gas pedal. What many women fail to notice is that godless men are essentially recruiting women to be substitue 'gay men' for them. The bottom line is that God is the brake, and men and women will careen out of control unless they wake up to that reality.

In short, without Christ, a man will screw himself, his brother, and his sister, b/c it his nature.

[Ichneumon]

["I agree with Jesse. Further, I submit that AIDS is a product of natural selection, ala Darwin"]

Hmmmm. A mention of Darwin. Pardon me, democratslayer, but I would be interested if this comment qualifies as a rational point of view held by others .... or is this a misapplication of reason?

Yes, the HIV ("AIDS") virus has become what it is today via evolution. Here's a map of its "family tree", mapping its evolutionary relationships to the other lentiviruses:

I know that's a bit hard on the eyes -- better resolution versions can be seen here: An overview of the molecular phylogeny of lentiviruses

[Ichneumon]

In short, without Christ, a man will screw himself, his brother, and his sister, b/c it his nature.

Why do you hold such a terrible opinion of Jews?

And why do none of the atheists I know act the way you predict?

Something appears to be wrong with your hypothesis, it doesn't match reality.

[SauronOfMordor]

In a promiscuous environment, where gays on anti-HIV drug treatment get continual new infections, it is inevitable that a resistant strain will come up. And if they find a solution for this strain, yet another will arrive.

The problem is inherent: their lifestyle is a breeding place for plague

[SauronOfMordor]

It really shocked him at the number who automatically assume that they won't live past 40, and won't listen to his recommendations on health because they are only expecting to live 15-20 more years.

Part of it may be that they don't WANT to live past the point where they're too old to be sexually attractive to other gays. Remember, for many, the promiscuous party scene is the only life they know