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Immigration Pits GOP Elites Against Conservative Voters
IntellectualConservative.com ^ | 14 February 2005 | W. James Antle III

Posted on 02/14/2005 9:56:21 AM PST by atomic_dog

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To: John Lenin

This issue may very well draw a third party candidate though.


81 posted on 02/14/2005 11:18:29 AM PST by johnb838 (Evolution is Paganizm.)
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To: EagleUSA
...backstabbing hispanics...

This falicy is often repeated. Which demographic is first affected by a new wave of illegal immigrants? Hispanics!

Hispanics who have been here and started to rise on the totem pole, are the first one's replaced when new immigrants show up willing to work for bottom dollar.

I would peg the percentage of hispanics that disagree with illegal immigration at about 50 to 65%, possibly as high as 75%.

82 posted on 02/14/2005 11:18:35 AM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Excellent point.


83 posted on 02/14/2005 11:20:51 AM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: atomic_dog
"Yet most rank-and-file Republican voters take a more sensible position. "

Most don't care.
If polled they will say they are against illegal immigration.
If polled they will say they are against illegal use of hands.

But the polls also consistently show that immigration ranks way down the list of issues that people care about.

When the issue does come up for debate in the next few years, and Bush rolls out his machine to pass his reforms the people will support him.

Meanwhile, the anti-immigrants are circling around in a little group of hysterical screaming whackos and think they are being heard by the real people outside their circle.

84 posted on 02/14/2005 11:22:23 AM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: Bikers4Bush

One thing I would say about a president hillary is that if anyone had the unmitigated gall to hit us while she was president, the nation that sponsored it would be likely to find itself a smoking ruin.

Course, she'd probably institute gulags for oldthinkers too so...


85 posted on 02/14/2005 11:25:33 AM PST by johnb838 (Evolution is Paganizm.)
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To: DoughtyOne

To me it isn't even the employment thats the worst thing. If all the mexicans disappeared today we'd probably have -5% unemployment. It's the corruption, and the creeping socializm that I'm most interested in stopping.


86 posted on 02/14/2005 11:28:12 AM PST by johnb838 (Evolution is Paganizm.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I would peg the percentage of hispanics that disagree with illegal immigration at about 50 to 65%, possibly as high as 75%.
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If it is true, then they should PUT PRESSURE ON THE ADMINISTRATION AND CONGRESS to start acting on this calamity along with the rest of America that cares about this illegal invasion...


87 posted on 02/14/2005 11:31:14 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Marine Inspector

Thanks for the ping.


88 posted on 02/14/2005 11:38:32 AM PST by KiloLima (Political correctness is the real quagmire...)
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To: johnb838

Given that we still have folks on welfare, I expect that those kind of labor conditions would have the benefit of reducing that statistic as well.


89 posted on 02/14/2005 11:39:26 AM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: Missouri
I have go update my ping list soon. About 1/2 of the posters have been banned.

LOL.

90 posted on 02/14/2005 11:40:43 AM PST by KiloLima (Political correctness is the real quagmire...)
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To: bayourod
"Meanwhile, the anti-immigrants are circling around in a little group of hysterical screaming whackos and think they are being heard by the real people outside their circle. "

LOL! It's YOUR little circle that's out of touch with reality.

BTW, we're not "anti-immigrants", we are for LEGAL immigration. Big difference...

sw

91 posted on 02/14/2005 11:40:53 AM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Marine Inspector

Please add me to you ping list, thank you.


92 posted on 02/14/2005 11:42:21 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity--Robert Heinlein)
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To: robowombat

Switzerland is at peace with itself - of course it has four official languages. It has been a republic for something like 700 years (in one form or another). We could learn a few things from them (IMHO).


93 posted on 02/14/2005 11:43:33 AM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: TheForceOfOne

"If you wish this call to continue in English, press '1'; si desea escuchar en espanol, marque numero dos. Y tenga un buen dia."


94 posted on 02/14/2005 11:43:41 AM PST by KiloLima (Political correctness is the real quagmire...)
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To: spectre

If we can borrow a phrase from Hillary - we need to keep immigration safe, legal and rare. Heh.


95 posted on 02/14/2005 11:45:02 AM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: atomic_dog

On this issue, more than any other, the Grand Old Party/Good Ole Boys are perpetuating the image of the GOP as a party of the rich and of big business. I suspect that the unfortunate truth in this case is that all of the above are true and Republican politicians are in a Catch-22: their base opposes "amnesty light", but if they oppose it, many of their biggest financial contributors will bail on them.

(I guess this thread will demonstrate to that moron that said that any post that was contrary to the GOP party line gets pulled is full of hot air. You out there, Mo?)


96 posted on 02/14/2005 11:46:30 AM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired...)
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To: johnb838

I will draw hell on myself for saying this, but so would I.

I would rather see the Democrats moved rightward than the GOP leftward.


97 posted on 02/14/2005 11:50:08 AM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: MamaTexan; RKV; Ros42

I love it that there are FReepers who know their "pedigree." (Don't freak out, guys, it's a genealogy term.) My German ancestors arrived in the New Land approx. 1732, and set about farming in Pennsylvania.


98 posted on 02/14/2005 11:52:28 AM PST by KiloLima (Political correctness is the real quagmire...)
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To: RKV

I went to Atlantic City this past weekend to walk the Boardwalk. I must tell you, what I saw was not good. Loads of welfare cases and mostly hispanics working the hotels and casinos.

I am all in favor of dropping the hammer on illegals, etc etc, but this welfare nonsense is just crazy. If there were no welfare, these people would be forced to work the hotels if they wanted to eat.


99 posted on 02/14/2005 11:56:33 AM PST by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: rface
"the democrats have no solution to this problem"

Sure they do, you just never bothered to find out what it is.

The republican party is split, and the dems have the largest block of unified votes.

If Congress passes a reform bill, it will be heavily influenced by the dems. Probably more democratic than republican.

100 posted on 02/14/2005 11:58:39 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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