End Times(Bill Buckley hopes Pope Joh Paul will die! OUTRAGEOUS!)

National Review.online ^ | 2/9/2005 | William F. Buckley Jr.

[kellynla]

At church on Sunday the congregation was asked to pray for the recovery of the Pope. I have abstained from doing so. I hope that he will not recover.

The seizure brought on by his dramatic trip to the hospital a week ago suggests the international sense of his indispensability. Pope John Paul is a graphic figure in the lives of Catholics and many non-Catholics. He is of course a towering theological figure who has presided over the development of Catholic thought and practice for the 26 years of his papacy. He is a major historical figure, who began as a Catholic seminarian in a Poland subservient first to a Nazi overlord (they hanged him in Nuremberg), then to a Communist overlord (nothing happened to him — the Communists are never prosecuted). From that scene he succeeded to the Holy See, where he was the symbol of hope and, after the Communists fell, of triumph, distinctive in his bid for international recognition as a God-fearing man of good will.

I remember him as he was leaving Havana to return to Rome. Fidel Castro was there to recite the diplomatic amenities. The pope was standing on the gangway of his airplane and suddenly rain fell. As John Paul spoke under an improvised parasol, his three-minute farewell address evolved, in near-perfect Spanish, into a homily on water's purifying mission. All of Cuba watched on television, no doubt hoping, for an exhilarating moment, that Castro would melt away, Cuba shriven from the antipodal reign of a tyrant who came to power even before the pope did, and will outlast him.

[BobS]

Can you drag yourself to Chatsworth next weekend? I promise I will look nice. We'll go up the coast to Ventura for fishing, flying and assorted stuff:):) After Mass:)

[Red Sea Swimmer]

Excellent comment.

The idea of the Sabbath in Judaism is a very interesting commandment. Most people believe the reason for it is so that it gives the observer some "time out" for reflection, prayer and contemplation, instead of the routine of day to day life.. This is true. However, the other spiritual idea behind observing the Sabbath is to give up one's desire to control and manipulate the reality around one's self, and just to trust the benevolence, expansiveness, stability and order of the universe.

This state of child-like innocence and trust is very hard for some people to achieve as they are riddled with fears and compulsions which make them manically try and manipulate the people, places and things around them.

When give ourselves up to the divine goodness of the universe, we see that in-fact reality and Planet Earth was created for humankind to literally make a Ganeden. That is what the Creator wants us to do. He wants all of God's children to live in peace, happiness and health.

Prayers for another one of God's children, Pope John Paul II.

[Bahbah]

This state of child-like innocence and trust is very hard for some people to achieve as they are riddled with fears and compulsions which make them manically try and manipulate the people, places and things around them.,p>I can attest to that.

[spectre]

Your point is well taken.

I love this Pope, but have my doubts he has been speaking for himself for a long time.

Our ultimate goal in this life is to achieve life everlasting and to eventually dwell in the presence of Our Lord. The Pope suffers much and it's painful to watch him struggle to maintain his dignity.

It isn't up to me though.

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[Grut]

Buckley doesn't hope for the Pope to die, he hopes for him to gain eternal life... quickly. Anyone who's outraged at this just isn't aware of Buckley's matter-of-fact approach to Catholic belief and his penchant for practical, unusual suggestions.

Buckley must be almost as old as the Pope is, so this column is pretty brave; one of his favorite sayings is "Who says A must say B", so this is advice he may have to take himself in the near future.

[Mad Mammoth]

William F. Buckley is a devout Catholic. He is abstaining from praying for the Pope. In the Pope's present health, he may be suffering. I don't think Buckley is out of line on this. I would bet Buckley prays that God's will be done.

Exactly. Buckley has made the most intelligent and reasoned comments on the Pope's recent health troubles.

OK, we all hope the Pope lives as long as God wants him to, right?

But at what point does the declining health of the Pope mandate that all those praying for him, cease praying for 'recovery' and pray for God's Will to be done?

The fact is, Buckley has said that which nobody else has the nerve to say. And while it is easy to call Buckley a 'buffoon' and other epithets, the truth is, Buckley, even in his advanced years can run intellectual circles around most people, including most of us right here on FR. I saw Buckley debate George McGovern at the University of Florida in 1991, and he was no spring chicken then - and he still chewed McG up into little pieces and did it with class and a smile on his face.

I daresay that God will consider Buckley's sincerely offered prayers because they were sent up with logic and compassion, not with some automatic kneejerk reaction of 'oh please, please, please HEAL the Pope...HEAL our 84 year old Pope!'

Pray for God's Will to be done. His Will might be to bring Pope John Paul II on home after a long life spent serving Him.

[kellynla]

"Buckley doesn't hope for the Pope to die, he hopes for him to gain eternal life..."
and where specifically in Buckley's piece does he say that??hmmmmmmmm

In fact, Buckley, in his arrogance, appears to say that he knows better than God when someone, in this case, Pope John Paul should "move on"....whose to say that Pope John Paul wouldn't jump out of his bed tomorrow and run five miles...and how many miracles are left for the Pope before he passes on??? And how much more work does God have on this earth for Pope John Paul? Do you know? Does Mister Arrogance Buckley know? NO, you don't know and Buckley doesn't know either!
So, you and Buckley and the rest of you "know it alls" should leave God's work up to God!

Good evening!

[Blessed]

>It is for God to decide who is or is not a devout Catholic.<

I don't think he cares.He only wants to know if you know his son.

[cubreporter]

I agree too. We don't go ANYWHERE before our time.

[maine-iac7]

and did it with class and a smile on his face

and that twinkle in his eye

[wildwood]

Buckley's subtlety has always escaped the average liberal and -- apparently --- a few Freepers.

no kiddin.'

[JohnnyZ]

Yeah, that's a weird column, to say the least, from WFB. To pray "long live the Pope" seems natural, of course with "Thy will be done" -- but to pray for his death -- against his wishes, no less -- even with "Thy will be done" -- that's not right.

[JohnnyZ]

I pray that he will soon be out of his misery.

If you've listened to anything to Pope has said the last several years you would know that he does not consider his state one of misery.

[Grut]

and where specifically in Buckley's piece does he say that??hmmmmmmmm

Buckley's whole life says it.

[Dudoight]

I am not in a position to judge anyones faith. To be honest, I don't exactly understand why Buckley wrote this as so many people would obviously see this in a negative light. Buckley stands tall as a Catholic. Give Buckley the benefit of the doubt. He is a man of faith.

[kellynla]

I am not judging his faith...I am judging his judgment! LOL
His remarks were dumb, dumb, dumb...
I won't go over the reasons again...if you're interested you can read them on this thread.

But I would never say anyone is a "devout Catholic" because only God knows that!

[Coleus]

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[kellynla]

thanks for the info

you wouldn't believe the names the "Buckley Fan Club" called me foe voicing my outrage! LOL

Unfortunately, Buckley may just get his wish yet...

[Tax-chick]

His body will die, not his spirit. When I die, I want to sit around with him and have tea and talk about things over the biggest pizza imaginable:)

Great post, BobS. I'll bring the cheap wine in a box!