Pipes criticises Middle East leaders

DanielPipes.org ^ | 13 February, 2005 | Prof. Daniel Pipes

[Salem]

As usual, I have the same conclusions as Prof. Pipes on current events in Israel.

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[Piranha]

TONY JONES: It's time, isn't it, to put aside that sort of skepticism and, as Condoleezza Rice says, seize the chance for the best opportunity we may see for peace for years?

DANIEL PIPES: Is that an order?

Priceless.

[kipita]

I respectively disagree with Daniel Pipes. I think the Middle East needs the Palestinian crises due to the problems with Islam and the disenfranchisement of its people in various countries.

[jolie560]

Once Iran gets nuclear-ized, the real Muslim-Israeli war will begin.

[Blumtoon]

This is the first time I've read anything that sounds like reality since the handshake between Sharon and Abbas. Also, I didn't know Daniel Pipes is such a hunk.

[Bahbah]

I agree with all of that ;)

[honest2God]

"No, of course not. Eighty per cent, I'd say, of Palestinians believe that the destruction of Israel is a worthy goal. Some 20 per cent say, "No, let's just live our own lives apart." What we need to do is focus on getting that 20 per cent to be 30, 40, 50 and 60 per cent, rather than focusing on negotiations."

How do you get those percentages other than negotiations? The quid pro quo violence that has been going on over the last 5 years has only increased the percentage that want to destroy Israel. It seems now, that both sides are beginning to realize that. Once the occupation ends, it will be more and more difficult for Palestinians to blame their ills on Israel, although some will do so regardless of what heppens. There is no quick fix, but as long as the extremes on both sides are truly marginalized, which will take a great deal of effor and courage by the leaders, particularly Abbas, then the level of violence may slowly decrease.

[Constitutionalist Conservative]

Pipes criticises Middle East leaders

To quote James Taranto (Best of the Web): You don't say. :-)

[Land_of_Lincoln_John]

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[pharmamom]

Thanks for the pic! What a hottie!

[Publius6961]

TONY JONES: But what would be expected of him? What would Israel expect him to do in order to prove that he's at least holding up his side of the bargain, because otherwise, the whole process will be in the hands of a very small group - potentially, a very small group of terrorists.

There is a simple truth here, an obvious one, a subtlety that appears to escape some people.

I say this becasue whether the inability to see is conscious or not, the result is identical.

In one form of assymetric war, the main player allows unknown and unknowable killer groups to carry on the common goal behind the scenes, and continue to "condemn" the behavior while simultaneously both tolerating them and indeed actively supporting them, at the same time pretending helplessness to stop them and turning the diplomatic face to the outside world.

The permutation where the official negotiators genuinely cannot control the killers is the other possibily. The effects would be indistinguishable except for one glaring omission. If they are so weak as to be unable to control a small faction amongst them, then they are demonstrably unprepared to exist as an independent state.

[Fred Nerks]

"If they are so weak as to be unable to control a small faction amongst them, then they are demonstrably unprepared to exist as an independent state."

Exactly!

[Dark Skies]

Freddie...is saying that Pipes looks Mephistophelean "gilding the lilly"?

[Dark Skies]

OOOOpppppps....Lilly = lily....

[Fred Nerks]

So Daniel Pipes is sympathetic to Kim Beazley's idea that our troops should withdraw from Sunni areas, is he? So that we are not drawn into the vortex of a civil war?

Really? Sure doesn't sound like the Daniel Pipes I'm used to reading.

[Dark Skies]

I was shocked by that as well...but, Freddie...give the ole brain a rest and let some of us slackers come upon new things.

"Miracles are in the smallest strata...life thrives in the oddest places."

[Dark Skies]

I awoke and found myself in a river...a river of souls. All round me were others like me...but they were dead...dead souls...

They were dead because they had refused life...they had turned away from the source of energy that fuels our fight...they had given up and had been swept up by the river...the river of souls. Freddie...we love you...do not let go and swim in that river...the river of souls. DS

[Fred Nerks]

They were probably all Democrats!

[jan in Colorado]

You have such a way with words!