Posted on 02/13/2005 8:46:21 AM PST by Scenic Sounds
LOL -- would this be the same Dr. Keyes who took her free labor for months on end while raking in contributions from which to pay himself a fat salary?
Indeed. What does it take to remove the blinders and recognize that Alan Keyes and Jesse Jackson are two sides of the same counterfeit coin?
Come now, you have to admit there is something uniquely horrible about this - how his daughter is exploiting his fame to tread all over his principles and secure her future.
Ivan
Then I do not believe you are a follower of Christ. Because your post shows no love for the Church.
I don't have to admit any such thing. Children have political and personal disagreements with parents all the time. Well-adjusted parents deal with it in a more rational and dutiful manner.
I think you're missing the point - Maya is using her father's name to get a grant for her to go to university and it is giving her a leg up in becoming a paid activist. If her father was anonymous, she'd have to work through college like her peers.
Ivan
I don't know what might or might not be inevitable. Fortunately, I haven't had to face Mr. Keyes' situation. However, there's just more to it than that.
Maya wrote: "They say most parents would be thrilled to have a child who doesn't smoke, have sex,
Permit me to interrupt here, but if she doesn't have sex then she's not gay. It's homosexuality.
do drugs, hardly drinks. . . , does well in school, gets good grades, gets into the Ivy League. . . , goes regularly to church,
If it were about my child, the hypocrisy of this would be a bigger issue than homosexuality. You can't be a homosexual Christian. Christians are supposed to (try to) follow Christ's teachings. His teachings on sexual behavior are pretty clear.
spends free time mentoring kids."
This part would bother me too. Kids don't need to be counselled by messed-up adults.
Homosexuals are rejecting reality. They are born into heterosexual bodies therefore claiming to be something they are not. We run into these kinds of emotional issues (and newspaper columns) when we fail to face the facts. Homosexuals are mentally ill. They need treatment. With treatment, Maya could be reunited with her father.
Shalom.
There was one absolutely perfect father who had one son and one daughter. They rebelled. And they lived in Eden, went around naked with no worrys, no sickness, no bad weather. It was perfect.
I guess it's something about being human.
Shalom.
And their firstborn became a murderer, banished from his own family and country.
I believe much like you do, but I have to say there is one thing that could cause me to turn my back on my child in a heartbeat.
If I thought that would cause them to really think about something - something I believed was very harmful to them - I would turn my back. I would do so to hide my own tears, but I would keep my back turned until they had done the thinking they needed to do.
Maya is mentally ill and needs treatment. While she refuses to seek it she is hurting herself and those who love her. Maybe Dr. Keyes has chosen the right approach to get her to seek treatment, maybe he hasn't. Only time will tell, which is the biggest problem with being a parent. But if I thought it would accomplish her seeking treatment I would do the same thing and I would call it love.
On a similar note, I know two young married women. One was thinking of leaving her husband. She called her mom to talk about the possibility of divorce. Her mom said, "Whatever you do, if you divorce him don't come here. When you married him this ceased being your home. If you leave him you have to make your own home somewhere else." She decided to stay and, after resolving some issues, they have been happily married for over 20 years.
The other also called her mother to discuss the possibility of divorce. Her mother said, "Well, if you do decide you have to leave, you can move back in here until you get your feet back on the ground." The daughter left within 2 weeks.
Which mother loved her daughter more?
Shalom.
Everyone on this thread has been misrepresenting what Dr. Keyes said about Mary Cheney. I thought FReepers were more up to speed on these issues than the average MSM drone.
Dr. Keyes made a comment about homosexuals in general. A reporter asked him if that applied to Mr. Cheney's daughter. He answered that if she was a homosexual then it applied to her. He did not initiate a disparaging comment about Mary Cheney. I suspect (although I could be wrong) that if someone had asked him if it applied to his own daughter he would have answered the same way.
Shalom.
I'd have to disagree with you there. Through 12th grade is implied. College is earned.
Shalom.
Telling your daughter she can't move back home is no guarantee that she'll stay married. Please. Unless the woman had no way of supporting herself, which is pretty sad in and of itself.
Well said. But remember that he didn't have perfect parents, just a perfect grandFather.
Shalom.
No it isn't. What I'm saying is the one mother told her daughter the truth - she had left her home and become an adult. If she divorced she had to do it like an adult and accept ALL of the consequences. It caused her to think seriously about the reasons she was unhappy and realize she could work it out - which she did.
The other mother told her daughter that she could always act like a spoiled child and the mother would take care of it. The daughter never reconsidered - just did what she wanted to do because she wanted to do it.
In the end she may have been very justified in the divorce. But she didn't really try to make the marriage work like an adult because she never had to.
I strongly doubt that Dr. Keyes' treatment of Maya will cause her to rethink. The gay activists will invest too much in keeping her a lesbian. In that regard he has probably shot himself in the foot because he sent her into their arms. But I understand his desire to tell her she is wrong and will face serious consequences if she continues down this path. And I think he is absolutely right in that.
Shalom.
Religion ruined my life.
NO details...it's just true.
It depends on the reasons behind the divorce. If the first daughter was trying to leave an abusive husband and her mother refused to let her live with her, that makes the mother an unfeeling monster.
You're going to catch heat for this, and it is a very, very difficult situation -- but I think there is a lot of wisdom in what you're saying.
There is no question but that, as a fact of human nature, one often reaches for an easy out. If there is no easy out, one is forced to try harder to resolve the situation.
Consider an analogy. Proaborts argue that ending legal abortion-on-demand would just result in more back-alley abortions. I disagree. The decision to engage in the act that makes babies would definitely be affected by knowing that there IS no easy out if "something goes wrong."
No doubt many women have left their husband very lightly, in part because they were assured of unquestioning and easily-accessible parental enablement.
I don't advocate that there is an easy answer. I do strongly insist that yours is certainly one that merits very serious consideration and, often, implementation.
Check out my blog titled "The least-heard marriage truth" at Biblical Christianity BLOG.
Dan
I think if that were the case they would not have remained married for over 20 years.
These are not hypotheticals. I know both personally. Both women wanted to divorce for selfish, childish reasons. One was asked to grow up and did. The other was not and did not.
Shalom.
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