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To: gobucks
His Grandfather conducted experiments to shock stuff 'to life', and Mary Shelly witnessed those experiments.

More silly nonsense, easily disproven just by glancing at the 1831 'standard' introduction to Frankenstein, by Mary Shelley.

They talked of the experiments of Dr. Darwin (I speak not of what the doctor really did or said that he did, but, as more to my purpose, of what was then spoken of as having been done by him), who preserved a piece of vermicelli in a glass case till by some extraordinary means it began to move with voluntary motion.

Clearly, Mary Shelley did not herself witness whatever the experiment in question, but rather speaks of hearsay description regarding Erasmus Darwin's experiment. In fact, she explicitly specifies that she speaks "not of what the Doctor really did" but rather of what was said about him.

In any case, Mary Shelley is evidently referring to a passage from The Temple of Nature where Erasmus Darwin writes of vorticellae (the ciliate protozoan), and not vermicelli (the pasta), where E. Darwin accurately recounts that the microbe lies dormant for lengthy periods of time until reanimated by water ("it discovers no sign of life except when in the water, yet it is capable of continuing alive for many months though kept in a dry state").

In an earlier passage, E. Darwin also writes of how adding water to flour paste can seem to reanimate life (try leaving some flour out for a long while and then add water to it and see what critters swim up out of it - probably a common occurrence in 1802..) and accurately concludes: "even the organic particles of dead animals may, when exposed to a due degree of warmth and moisture, regain some degree of vitality." This may also have been referred to by Mary Shelley, though clearly she primarily refers to the vorticellae that she misreads as vermicelli.

PS. Your credibility is about nonexistent as it is, but I'm curious where you picked up this latest bit of tripe? Oh, and what do you mean to have one infer from your cite of "Temple of Nature"? Have you taken even a cursory glance at the work, or are you just fantasizing whatever ominous signification you think it might have?

31 posted on 02/12/2005 6:18:35 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: AntiGuv
"PS. Your credibility is about nonexistent as it is, but I'm curious where you picked up this latest bit of tripe? Oh, and what do you mean to have one infer from your cite of "Temple of Nature"? Have you taken even a cursory glance at the work, or are you just fantasizing whatever ominous signification you think it might have?

Temple of Nature is simply a poem, written by Charles Darwin's grandfather. That grandfather was one of the founding members of the Lunar Society.

The significance? Well ..... evolution is just loooony!

As for tripe, see here the kind reference by the gentleman of the arts...: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1337381/posts And as for Mary Shelly directly witnessing the good doctor's experiments, I confess I misread the attribution of her direct involvment w/ E. Darwin. Her intellectual loyalty to Pre-Charles Darwinism however? That seems beyond dispute.

By the way, my feelings are hurt ... that crack about my credibility .....

51 posted on 02/12/2005 7:19:17 PM PST by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/laocoon.htm)
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To: AntiGuv

There is a Dr Frankenstein's creation here. It is the High Church of Evo-Doxy.


90 posted on 02/13/2005 6:22:05 AM PST by bvw
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To: AntiGuv
...try leaving some flour out for a long while and then add water to it and see what critters swim up out of it...

Try keeping a sealed bag of flour in the pantry for a year. If you're skeptical, seal it in a ziplock bag first.

171 posted on 02/13/2005 3:21:46 PM PST by js1138
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To: AntiGuv
where Erasmus Darwin writes of vorticellae (the ciliate protozoan), and not vermicelli (the pasta),

...hence the importance of peer review.

...which leads directly to the controversy over that dude at the Smithsonian and his article on intelligent design.

(Stirring the pot, in a futile attempt to avoid boredom).

Cheers!

Full Disclosure: Sorry for the late post, I was camping "up North" and no internet...which partially accounts for my boredom. :-)

412 posted on 02/14/2005 5:01:10 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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