Posted on 02/12/2005 12:12:42 PM PST by UnklGene
Of course the device would need some sort of outside input such as white noise or radioactive decay. The article is not specific enough on its design to know what it is using for the generation. Given that it is described as generating random numbers and not pseudo-random numbers, we must assume that it is using some sort of outside input and is not simply a PRNG.
Gee, I didn't realize that thread kept going this far!
Actually this is much more fun, than the Arnold bashing, that's going on on the CA threads.
NASA Plans to Read Minds at Airports
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/news/nasa_brainwaves.htm
August 19, 2002
Officials of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration have told Northwest Airlines security specialists that the agency is developing brain-monitoring devices in cooperation with a commercial firm, which it did not identify.
Space technology would be adapted to receive and analyze brain-wave and
heartbeat patterns, then feed that data into computerized programs "to detect passengers who potentially might pose a threat," according to briefing documents obtained by The Washington Times.
NASA wants to use "noninvasive neuro-electric sensors," imbedded in gates, to collect tiny electric signals that all brains and hearts transmit.
Computers would apply statistical algorithms to correlate physiologic patterns with computerized data on travel routines, criminal background and credit information from "hundreds to thousands of data sources," NASA documents say.
Something is going to happen. Don't know where, don't know what. Just wait, you'll see.
This is nothing.
The bubbles in my beer can predict the future with uncanny accuracy. 9 out of 10 times they are correct that I am going to have another beer.
This is a valid point. However, those experiments must be described sufficiently that an impartial observer can repeat them. When repeated, they must produce similar results. The results must be published, along with a description of the methods, in a peer reviewed journal.
Apparently, the Black Box detected it in advance!
This should get interesting.
Its OK....I've had a breakthru..
I WANT the federal gov't to read my MIND...
I tend to keep a low profile on threads like these, whether on FR or not, but I know what you mean. It is completely useless to attempt serious discussions about these phenomena/abilities with most people, especially in groups. Once you have seen it, you know, you don't believe it, or feel it, or imagine it, you know it.
Sometimes I wish I could talk about it freely.
This actually fits in well to a biblical/Christian worldview. Not the idea of a "global consciousness" but rather a spiritual realm. If there is the biblical God (and I firmly believe there is) then there are His opponents too...in the spiritual world. Such things would be happy (exited?) in being behind (or in the case of natural disasters, aware of) crises such as 9/11 perhaps causing a blip on a random-number graph.
All I'm saying is scripture teaches an invisible spirit realm, where Christians are opposed by (to use a nearly obsolete word) devils.
"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places." (Eph. 6:12)
Perhaps the "consciousness" these machines detect IS global, but NOT human.
I understand what you are saying. But in addition to the 'evil principalities' and devils and such, I think there is also room for just 'spirit-type beings', that have neither an allegience to God or Satan. Maybe it isn't their time to commit to one side or another, just as humans have 80 or so years to make that decision for themselves; maybe these spirits just exist and we cannot see them. Too many paranormal experiences have gone unexplained and unanswered to dismiss such ideas. All I'm saying is that it is a possibility.
"Once you have seen it, you know, you don't believe it, or feel it, or imagine it, you know it."
I agree completely. I've had out of body experiences and after, there is no doubt that your consciousness will survive after the body dies. You don't need to have faith, because you simply know.
"Sometimes I wish I could talk about it freely."
I'm very interested in this subject and want to develop as much of my innate ability as possible. Don't hesitate to FRmail if you have a good story or whatever.
"How about you...are you busy too?"
Extremely. I'm getting a PhD now in Texas and just had a little daughter. Since my wife works also, it's like we have three full-time jobs between the two of us. I can't wait to get back into the "real world" though.
That was a really bogus experiment. They shot a gaussian laser pulse into a chamber of excited gas. The excited gas acted like an extremely high gain amplifier to the rising edge of the input pulse. Once the gas emitted its photons and became de-excited, the gain fell. This all happens in a gaussian profile.
The exact same "faster than light" effect could be created with an op-amp and an arrangement of caps, diodes, etc.
And if they did, how would we know?
That's my problem with this too. Where's the point of influence?
The seed is usually a clock, but then the function is usually a function of the prior result. There is no opportunity for an external influence.
The skin reactions are a lot more believable than the number generator experiment.
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