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Not so ‘Free Republic’: The Shot Heard Around the Net
The Conservative Voice ^ | Feb 11, 2005 | by William Gheen, President, Americans for Legal Immigration PAC

Posted on 02/11/2005 10:55:36 AM PST by Jim Robinson

The shot heard around the Internet has been fired on FreeRepublic.com The owner Jim Robinson and his moderators have launched a sniper style purge against members that disagree with the President’s ‘guest worker’ amnesty or support more control of illegal immigration. Free Republic is an amazing tool for those looking for a good debate and news from around the country.

The problem for the administration of the site is that their creation is allowing the participants to learn that the Bush immigration record and plans are shockingly out of line with the views of most conservatives. The management’s answer to this conflict between the majority of conservatives and the influence of the White House on their Web site has become electronic executions and censorship.

Members and readers of Free Republic would be surprised to know that many members of their community have fallen silent on the discussions about illegal immigration lately because free speech is an illusion on FR.com. They are silent because they have been banned from the Web site without warning, cause, or explanation in most cases. For weeks the moderators have been suspending and banning new members that chimed in quickly on the immigration debates.

Now this trend has broadened as the first groups of long-term users were suspended or banned this past week. Although Robinson and his staff removed many members of the Free Republic community in the first few days of the purge, those that religiously support President Bush’s immigration plan, open borders and approve of public benefits for illegal aliens remain on the forum. Those that were banned were the members that wanted more done to control illegal immigration and a strict observance to the President’s Oath of Office.


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To: Bikers4Bush
First Prayer in Congress



September 1774. Carpenter’s Hall – Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

It’s morning in the city of brotherly love and 36 men from all walks of life and all types of faith are filing in for a meeting. John Adams was one of the first to arrive, and having found a moment to himself, decided to write a letter to his wife Abigail. (It is presented below in its original spelling and capitalization.) Adams didn’t know it at the time, but his letter would serve as a detailed explanation of what happened as the debate for having a prayer in Congress ensued.

The Pivotal Debate...

“Having a Leisure Moment, while the Congress is assembling, I gladly embrace it to write to you a line. When the Congress first met, Mr. Cushing (also representing Massachusetts) made a Motion, that it should be opened with prayer. It was opposed by Mr. Jay of N. York and Mr. Rutledge of South Carolina, because we were so divided in religious Sentiments, some Episcopalians, some Quakers, some Anabaptists, some Presbyterians and some Congregationalists, so that we could not join in the same Act of Worship. Mr. S. Adams arose and said he was no Bigot, and could hear a prayer from a Gentleman of Piety and Virtue, who was at the same Time a Friend to his Country. He was a Stranger in Philadelphia, but had heard that Mr. Duche (Dushay they pronounce it) deserved that Character, and therefore he moved that Mr. Duche, en Episcopal Clergyman. Might be desired, to read Prayers to the Congress, tomorrow Morning. The Motion was seconded and passed in the Affirmative. Mr. Randolph our President, waited on Mr. Duche, and received for Answer that if his Health would permit, he certainly would. Accordingly next morning he appeared with his Clerk and in his Pontificallibus, and read several Prayers, in the established Form; and then read the Collect for the Seventh Day of September, which was the Thirty fifth Psalm. You must remember this was the next Morning after we heard the horrible Rumour, of the Cannonade of Boston. I never saw a greater effect upon an Audience. It seemed as if Heaven had ordained that Psalm to be read on that Morning."

"After this Mr. Duche, unexpected to every Body struck out into an extemporary Prayer, which filled the Bosom of every Man present. I must confess I never heard an better Prayer or one so well pronounced. Episcopalian as he is Dr. Cooper himself never prayed with such fervor, such Ardor, such Earnestness and Pathos, and in Language so elegant and sublime—for America, for the Congress, for the Province of Massachusetts Bay, and especially the town of Boston. It has had an excellent Effect upon every Body here. I must beg you to read that Psalm. If there was any Faith in the sortes Virgilianae, or Sortes Homericae, or especially the Sortes biblicae, it would be thought providential. It will amuse your friends to read this Letter and the 35th. Psalm to them. Read it to your Father and Mr. Wilbirt. I wonder what our Braintree Churchmen would think of this? Mr. Duche is one of the most ingenious Men, and best Characters, and greatest orators in the Episcopal order, upon this Continent—Yet a Zealous Friend of Liberty and his Country. I long to see my dear family. God Bless, preserve and prosper it. Adieu. John Adams”

Other sources tell us that when John and Samuel Adams arrived at the First Continental Congress, they encountered extreme prejudice from other delegates who remembered that the Puritans in Massachusetts once hanged their Quaker brothers. There was a great fear that these Massachusetts delegates were bigots. It was a “masterly stroke” as John Adams later wrote, when Samuel Adams rose up and declared that he was no bigot. It must have shocked those who knew him well, because for years he had identified the Church of England with the “whore of Babylon”. This was tantamount to swearing in his day and here he is proposing to hear a prayer from a clergyman of that denomination.

One of the principle results of this first Congress was universal financial support for the City of Boston, which was under attack in response to the Boston Tea Party. Without Samuel Adams’ support for the prayer, it was doubtful that Boston would have received the help they needed. It is also doubtful that this body would have found the harmony of purpose that led them to sign the Declaration of Independence just two years later.

By proposing and supporting this prayer, the Massachusetts delegates at once showed that they were not bigots, and at the same time called the assembly to more universal values. It destroyed the animosity towards them and created the feeling that “we are all in this together.” This Congress was the first test for these quarreling colonies to see if they could work together. Just ten years earlier, no one would have guessed they would some day unite against their mother country, so great was the tension between them. The very existence of our country probably depends on this one prayer.

It just happened that the reading of the 35th Psalm fell on that day in the regular Episcopal readings. It was such an appropriate Psalm that all must have felt it was a message from God. This Psalm is still chosen today by those feeling overwhelmed by tyrannical forces, and it still has a profoundly uplifting effect on any audience that hears it.



Lord, our Heavenly Father, High and Mighty King of Kings, and Lord of Lords, who dost from thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth; and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the Kingdoms, Empires and Governments; look down in mercy we beseech Thee, on these American States, who have fled to Thee from the rod of the oppressor, and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring henceforth to be dependent only on Thee; to Thee, they have appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support which Thou alone canst give; take them therefore Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in Council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious designs of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their cause; and if they persist in their sanguinary purpose, O, let the voice of Thy own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle! Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the councils of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation, that the scene of blood may be speedily closed; that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice, religion and piety prevail and flourish among Thy people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world, and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son, Our Savior. Amen.

Witnesses record that during the prayer Washington knelt along with Henry, Randolph, Lee, Rutledge and Jay. The last two were originally the most vocal in opposing the idea of a prayer. After the prayer a profound silence followed, so deep was the sense of responsibility upon each man present.

Eventually a grave-looking man, coarsely dressed arose and began to speak, to the annoyance of the secretary who thought he was a country minister trying to show off. “But an unusual force of argument and a singular impassioned eloquence soon electrified the house.” This was how the world first learned of one of the greatest orators of all time: Patrick Henry. In the future he would often speak for the heart of the American people. Here his role was simply to state what had just been accomplished: “British oppression has effaced the boundaries of the several colonies. The distinctions between Virginians and Pennsylvanians, New Yorkers and New Englanders are no more. I am not a Virginian but an American.” Who would have expected that a few men praying could so profoundly change the course of history?

Reverend Duche was later appointed Chaplain of Congress on July 6, 1776, two days after the Declaration of Independence. He officiated every morning at 9:00 am until September 28th, when while leaving church he was arrested by the British. While he served Congress he asked that his $150 salary be used for the relief of widows and orphans of Pennsylvania officers.

Details about The First Prayer in Congress

This is the only known early American painting of the First Prayer in Congress. Every detail was fully researched by the artist. It is so carefully delineated that it was used in more recent times to guide the restoration of Carpenter’s Hall.

It is interesting to note the choices of the artist in designing his work: The various prayer styles are reflective of the religion of each participant. Behind the podium used by the Reverend Duche is another higher podium, used by the President of the Assembly, but it is unoccupied. No one would allow himself to sit in a station appearing higher than the representative of God. In fact, the President of this Assembly, Peyton Randolph of Virginia, has left his high station and takes the lowest position in the painting. He is in the foreground on the left with his face covered by his own hands, appearing to bow more deeply than the others. Next to him is Washington, the only one facing the same direction as Reverend Duche, implying an accord with God’s vision. He stands out with a darker suit than those around him, indicating his emerging leadership role.

One scrap of paper occupies center stage; perhaps this is the message they just received that Boston was being shelled by the British. The other papers and books look like they are all about to fall, perched on the edge of their tables. Perhaps these represent man’s worldly concerns and they are suspended precariously in wait as the men turn their attention to the more pressing need to be with God.

About the Artist

Tomkins Harrison Matteson, (1813 – 1884) Born in Madison County, New York. An enthusiastic American Artist, his paintings are mostly of homely and historical scenes, harmonious in color and pleasing in effect. Unlike many artists of his time, he never studied in Paris, but this allowed his work to develop a distinct American flavor, uninfluenced by foreign idioms. His work has a sincerity, much appreciated by the ordinary people of his time.

As a youth he learned art from an American Indian who was incarcerated in his father’s jail awaiting trial for murder. Apparently his father felt that this Indian was innocent as he allowed his son to visit as often as he liked. Later the young Tomkins followed an itinerant silhouette-limner about the village and copied his instrument. He was so interested in art that the lack of money would not stop him. He borrowed paints and made his own paint box.

Soon he took to the life of a traveling Artist, drawing likenesses for a few pennies. He is described by an art historian of his time as “trudging wearily in the sun, faint and fasting by the wayside, sleeping in canal-boats, and reaching Albany at last, penniless and discouraged . . .” He joined a company of strolling players and appeared as Othello, but continued painting his now much sought after “morning pieces” of the girls in a village academy.

Finally, a kind gentleman of means sent him to New York City to visit the crusty old dean of American Artists, Colonel John Trumbull who first severely discouraged him, then later became an admiring advisor. He soon began the strict training program in drawing offered at the National Academy of Design. He opened a portrait studio and with moderate success decided to marry Elizabeth Merrill. He was befriended by the Reverend Dr. Hale of Hobart College, who encouraged him to branch out to patriotic pieces, which finally brought him financial success. It seems fitting that such a career should start by the suggestion of a man of God.

An admiring fellow artist convinced the American Art Union to buy his “Spirit of 76” and his “First Prayer in Congress”. These were auctioned off, bringing much fame to Matteson. His reputation grew and soon he had several students, who would become famous in their own right.

He continued with other paintings including many scenes for a pictorial newspaper showing Americans celebrating Christmas and the Fourth of July. These are now considered valuable records of the life of people in the 1840’s and 1850’s.

Today we expect Artists to be a little eccentric. Matteson was somewhat, but in a more patriotic way. He wore an unusual steeple-crowned hat and short mantle because of his admiration of the Pilgrims. He liked to be called the Pilgrim painter. His later years were full of public service: President of the School Board, Representative to the State Legislature among other activities. He died a well-respected, much loved citizen.

Prayer – As it Relates to American History

Our Founding Fathers were God-fearing men. Our more prominent patriots—Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Henry—often prayed in the course of their duties or commissions.

Textbooks never mention how General George Washington knelt at Valley Forge and petitioned Almighty God to spare his men and get them through that terrible winter—yet historians have proof it happened! This may be the first time you've heard of the First Prayer in Congress, until now, yet we have the accounts of many eyewitnesses who testified it transpired that fall morning in 1774.

Prayer has played a vital role in the birth and development of our Nation. The First Prayer in Congress was originally painted to celebrate the occasion that marked a turning point in our country’s struggle for Independence. Now, it remains as a symbol of integrity, faith and freedom for current and future generations to enjoy.

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3,281 posted on 02/15/2005 8:13:47 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: skeeter

Are YOU claiming that comments about shooting border crossers have not been made in FR by your side?


3,282 posted on 02/15/2005 8:16:15 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: ApesForEvolution

Excellent. Thanks for that.


3,283 posted on 02/15/2005 8:16:23 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: rdb3
Don't intentionally misstate what I said and use your own version of what I said to attack me. My post was expressed with crystal clear English. If you can't understand that, that's your fault.

I understood you quite clearly.
I didn't "misstate" you at all.
I "paraphrased" your words to showcase the flimsy excuses that are routinely employed by our disingenuous political leadership. If you don't see the legitimacy of that analogy, I feel sorry for you.

3,284 posted on 02/15/2005 8:18:17 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Bikers4Bush

No problem FRiend...


3,285 posted on 02/15/2005 8:26:26 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: Spiff

By YOUR side I mean those who do not believe that Bush's plan is a step in the right direction.

By YOUR side, I also mean whatever side it is that you've placed me on other than yours.

I am amply concerned about border security and illegal immigration, I don't agree with what you believe to be the solution to those problems.

Because I believe that your idea of a solution is not the solution, you and YOUR SIDE continuously misstate my position as being in favor of illegal immigration.

I am not.

Nor am I in favor of a non-plan plan, which is what I believe you spouse.

Is that sufficiently clear to you now?


3,286 posted on 02/15/2005 8:28:58 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: ApesForEvolution

Absolutely GREAT post mon!


3,287 posted on 02/15/2005 8:29:58 AM PST by Dat Mon (will work for clever tagline)
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To: Dat Mon

bump mon :)


3,288 posted on 02/15/2005 8:37:02 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Are YOU claiming that comments about shooting border crossers have not been made in FR by your side?

Are you expecting me to defend or apologize for the statements others make?

Or are you accusing me directly of making such comments?

3,289 posted on 02/15/2005 8:40:30 AM PST by skeeter (OBL "Americans" won't honor any law that interferes with their pocketbooks)
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To: Jericho7

You need to tell the Nazis they are not welcome. Confront them. If you have not done this, then you are abetting them.


3,290 posted on 02/15/2005 9:10:59 AM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: drt1

Yup. Not all FROBLs are bona fide rightists (that is, rightists in the classical context, one Burke would have recognized).


3,291 posted on 02/15/2005 9:18:11 AM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Jericho7

Allow me to suggest that, in line with philosophy as wide ranging as that found in "The Nine Nations of North America" and that found in "The Lexus and the Olive Tree," Bush and many others find themselves conflicted regarding how to address the opposing pressures of economic globalization and national sovereignty. Add to it the obvious reality that for a long time, we've used liberal immigration policies vis a vis Latin America as a sort of pressure valve to prevent or delay social upheavals there which typical result in Leftward political movement. I do not envy Bush or anyone else who has to navigate such trecherous waters.


3,292 posted on 02/15/2005 9:26:53 AM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: GOP_1900AD

typical s/b typically. Sorry about the typo.


3,293 posted on 02/15/2005 9:30:12 AM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: GOP_1900AD

Ok, here you go. Listen up all you Nazis! You are not welcome here or on any legitimate immigration website. My grandfathers kicked your butts in the Ardens forest and in Normandy. Although I am glad that we don't have 6 to 10 thousand Nazis crossing our borders everyday, I would be prepared to repel your invasion as well! My bloodline has always defended this nation and now it is my turn to honor my family.

My ancestors have fought in every major conflict all the way back to WWI and my great great grandfather was a member of the US Calvery sent to hunt Pancho Villa when he disrespected our borders like these drug gangs that are firing on our border law enforcement.

You have to go away Nazis and you have to stop talking about other groups and issues on websites because there are a bunch of liberals in the GOP that are programmed like pavlov dogs to think that anyone that is white that addresses an issue of race is secretly a Nazi. They sound just like the freaky protestors that call George Bush a nazi.

What illegal immigration in the year 2005 has to do with Nazis, hell I don't know. But to please someone that is eager to say I'm an accessory to Nazi beliefs because I do not spend my time worrying about the few thousand Nazis in America here is your official notice.

Now that you few thousand Nazis have been told to stay out of it, can we begin to address the 20 million illegal aliens in the US or the 150,000 violent drug running gang members that chop our citizens up with machetes?

I'm glad that's out in the open. I never knew I could be a Nazi sympathizer just by not preaching against them on forum threads.


3,294 posted on 02/15/2005 11:02:23 AM PST by Jericho7
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To: Jericho7

The word is "cavalry."


3,295 posted on 02/15/2005 11:17:52 AM PST by EllaMinnow (Every time a leftist cries, an angel gets its wings.)
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To: Jericho7

FYI - I am on the management team of another web forum that deals with a number of issues similar to the ones here at FR, but with a more narrowly geopolitical bent. We get Nazis there, and we smoke 'em out by getting them to reveal themselves. Inevitably they link to some "Aryan Nations" or other Nazi propaganda sites or various anti Semitic ones. Often, they are wrapped around the axle of "NWO phobia" and Quigleyesque conspriatory fantasy thinking. They get their butts banned and in the process we use it to instruct legitimate forum members on the incidious nature of the various Jacobin, revolutionary and other very damaging elements who try to use the cover of pretending to be rightists but who in fact want to upend our system and bring totalitarianism, fascism or other unenlightened despotism to power. Some of them either wittingly or unwittingly have allied themselves with overseas, anti Western forces who seek the demise of the US and the West. Some of them are allied with the National Bolshevik movement (a world wide scourge). And by the way, I am an unapologetic true Rightist of the Burkian type, just to let you know. I am as illiberal as one can be while remaining legal and loyal to this Republic. What say you now?


3,296 posted on 02/15/2005 11:29:58 AM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: GOP_1900AD; EllaMinnow

Ella-- Thanks for catching my typo.

GOP-- What say I now? Well, I would say that if you are such an arch convervative you should be highly sensitive to the labeling practices of the left and stop engaging in them yourself. You say "You need to tell the Nazis they are not welcome. Confront them. If you have not done this, then you are abetting them"

I don't go around telling homosexuals they are not welcome does this mean I am abetting them?

I don't go around telling communists they are not welcome does this mean that I am abetting them too?

And how exactly am I to tell Nazis anything when I've never met one to my knowledge. I, like many others, just found out about Stormfront after Robinson's post insinuated all of the banned users and groups were like stormfront.

He has since retracted or clarrified that assertion or incidental comparison.

How can you stand against PC as your tagline suggests yet engage in the same tactics when it suits you?


3,297 posted on 02/15/2005 11:54:21 AM PST by Jericho7
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To: Jericho7
I think my #3254 answers that question. I'd love a reply. ; )

BTW, If you look at my earlier posts in this thread, #3093, in particular, you'll see that I do not approve of knee-jerk labeling of people as racist any more than you do.
3,298 posted on 02/15/2005 12:13:06 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: Jericho7

I must have mis-clicked... My last post was meant to be in reply to your questions in #3297.


3,299 posted on 02/15/2005 12:18:02 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: Trinity_Tx

I've followed this thread off and on due to work constraints. And I've noticed that no one has responded to that question. You're not the only one who's asked it either. Why doesn't the Minuteman Project simply say we are not affiliated with nor do we want any assistance or members from these groups such as Stormfront? I think it's a fair question to ask.


3,300 posted on 02/15/2005 12:25:45 PM PST by unbalanced but fair
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