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Clouds gather over Kyoto climate pact
Reuters ^ | 02/11/05 | Robin Pomeroy

Posted on 02/11/2005 8:11:39 AM PST by Pikamax

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1 posted on 02/11/2005 8:11:39 AM PST by Pikamax
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"Clouds gather over Kyoto climate pact"

Perfectly headlined.


2 posted on 02/11/2005 8:12:58 AM PST by PeterFinn (Why is it that people who know the least know it the loudest?)
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"In Europe there is a clear view that there are going to be binding constraints with or without Kyoto," said Dirk Forrister, managing director of emissions trading firm Natsource Europe.

Has to keep his little fifedom going no matter what.

3 posted on 02/11/2005 8:15:49 AM PST by CPOSharky (Demoncrat speak - "Bipartisan" is only used when Republicans are the majority.)
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If the EU's emissions trading system means Europe can reach its targets without ruining its economy...
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No problem for the EU chicken-little greenies. THEY HAVE NO ECONOMY TO RUIN!!!


4 posted on 02/11/2005 8:17:02 AM PST by EagleUSA
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Kyoto is not about reducing polution. It's about transfering money from Capitalists to Socialists.


5 posted on 02/11/2005 8:18:15 AM PST by MonroeDNA (US OUT of the UN!)
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Kyoto needs to dissipate!


6 posted on 02/11/2005 8:18:37 AM PST by dcnd9
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Scientists say an emissions cut of at least 60 percent is needed to prevent catastrophic impacts of climate change

Either that, or we have to elect a Democrat as president and all the problems will go away for 4 years.

7 posted on 02/11/2005 8:18:38 AM PST by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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This is going to be treated just like the EU stability pact. Leftist politicians will use it to puff themselves up for the cameras until it actually comes time for someone to be punished, and then the offending party will be saying "It's time to renegotiate the Kyoto accord".

Useless hypocrites, and know nothing alarmists.

8 posted on 02/11/2005 8:19:08 AM PST by tcostell
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To: MonroeDNA
Kyoto is not about reducing polution. It's about transfering money from Capitalists to Socialists.
Just as Greenpeace cares much less about protecting the environment than it does about ruining economic prosperity.
9 posted on 02/11/2005 8:22:45 AM PST by samtheman
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More junk science, there isn't any significant scientific study to substantiate their claims of climate change.
10 posted on 02/11/2005 8:24:49 AM PST by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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Kyoto is not about reducing polution. It's about transfering money from Capitalists to Socialists.

Can you say "Report from Iron Mountain"?

Sure, I knew you could!
11 posted on 02/11/2005 8:25:58 AM PST by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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I thought the same thing. They have no economy. This will make growth even worse or negative.

But just like their deficit targets, they will all cheat. Spain up 40%. Yep. All this with their 18% VAT and 6$ gas.


12 posted on 02/11/2005 8:31:55 AM PST by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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They could have had a treaty that meant something, if they'd wanted one. Instead, they decided to go forward without the US, China and India, and now they themselves are going to violate the treaty with impunity.


13 posted on 02/11/2005 8:32:10 AM PST by Brilliant
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They know perfectly well that the goals of the treaty are unattainable. But it never was a "scientific" matter anyway. It's a political matter. They plan to get their brownie points from the Greens by saying, "Well, we tried."

Then they can put all the blame on the United States for their failure, much as the hippies blamed the entire failure of the Vietnam war on Nixon, even though the whole mess was engineered by Kennedy and Johnson. That way, they get their cake and eat it and they can use us as their scapegoat.

By the way, the U. S. didn't pull out of this treaty, as Reuters pretends. We never came near signing it. 95% of the Senate voted against it, but clinton and gore delayed presenting it for ratification so they, too, could have their political cake and eat it. Hypocrites all.


14 posted on 02/11/2005 8:33:38 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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the world's most ambitious environmental agreement

This is the one thing it's not.

15 posted on 02/11/2005 8:34:41 AM PST by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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But just like their deficit targets, they will all cheat. Spain up 40%. Yep. All this with their 18% VAT and 6$ gas.
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Yes, the EU IS IN NO WAY, an economic model FOR ANYTHING!!! I just love socialism and its "Midas touch".


16 posted on 02/11/2005 8:34:50 AM PST by EagleUSA
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And if we cut emissions by X%, a pesky volcano will blow its lid somewhere and ruin it. Then they will call for negative emissions...


17 posted on 02/11/2005 8:40:53 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: MonroeDNA
"Kyoto is not about reducing polution. It's about transfering money from Capitalists to Socialists."

I think you've summed it up perfectly. They're still fighting for the survival of Socialism, and their only hope is to get the productive people of the world to bail them out.
18 posted on 02/11/2005 8:42:45 AM PST by lotusblos
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"Scientists say an emissions cut of at least 60 percent is needed to prevent catastrophic impacts of climate change this century, including rising sea levels, the spread of deserts and even worse weather-related disasters."

These "scientists" are out of a job if they can't convince us that the end of the world is at hand. We've had global warming since before the great lakes. I'm all for it, there'll still be places to ski and play in the snow for those of us who enjoy cold weather.


19 posted on 02/11/2005 8:50:19 AM PST by lotusblos
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Kyoto is not about reducing pollution. It's about transferring money from Capitalists to Socialists.

Exactly, income redistribution on a worldwide scale.

20 posted on 02/11/2005 8:59:48 AM PST by RJL
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