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Ear-splitting discovery rocks mammal identity [Evolution, platypus]
news@nature.com ^ | 10 February 2005 | Roxanne Khamsi

Posted on 02/11/2005 6:49:09 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: PatrickHenry

2 more missing transitionals!!


21 posted on 02/11/2005 7:38:14 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Grut
I hope you do realize that much of the current structure of animal evolution rests on 'transitional' spices whose evidence consists of a couple bones. To question this sample's challenge to traditional evolutionary theory on the grounds that the sample is too small is about the same as questioning most for the current 'tree' of evolution.
22 posted on 02/11/2005 7:41:13 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ
"I was quite shocked when I heard that such a complex morphological transformation happened twice."

~Palaeontologist Thomas Martin of the Senckenberg Research Institute in Frankfurt, Germany.

23 posted on 02/11/2005 7:42:16 AM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory. Lots of links on my homepage...)
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To: Red Badger

Don't feed the platypi!


24 posted on 02/11/2005 7:43:46 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Elpasser
The fact is that intelligent people believe in evolution because they believe that intelligent people believe in evolution.

A rather accurate statement. I find it amusing that many on this thread seem to think this article supports the theory. I guess they were wow-ed by all the big words. Looks to me like the article contradicts a key tenant of mammalian evolution. Hardy enough to bring down the house of cards but it certainly is not support for the theory.
25 posted on 02/11/2005 7:46:05 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: narby

Looks like now man evolved from the platypus. If no other creature has the triple boned ear, it must have been. /Creationist mocking off


26 posted on 02/11/2005 7:49:01 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: Elpasser

Think of it this way -- evolution doesn't deny God -- it shows us all the wonders of His creation and how He made things. That's what science does -- helps us get more and more in awe of God. Those that try to say science replaces God aren't really great scientists -- look at Einstein, he was a devoted worshipper.


27 posted on 02/11/2005 7:49:02 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: Elpasser

"Do people really not understand that evolution involves random mutations and then the death of all non-mutated individuals and their offspring?"

Everything individual dies, but some individuals manage to reproduce themselves beforehand. Also I think your argument above ignores crossover.


28 posted on 02/11/2005 7:49:16 AM PST by bobdsmith
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

"Gould's idea of rerunning the tape of life is not hypothetical; it's happening all around us. And the result is well known to biologists — evolutionary convergence."

THINK for yourself! If you were to come upon an object on Mars in the shape of a polished table or even a perfect triangle, you would immediately recognize the probability of intentional design. Why, then, do you fail to see the designer's hand in the breathtaking complexity of the simplest one-celled organism?

I have found that ardent evolutionists invariably point to what someone else says, rather than using their own power of reason.


29 posted on 02/11/2005 7:51:50 AM PST by Elpasser
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To: Red Badger
>God has a wicked sense of humour!


30 posted on 02/11/2005 7:53:12 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: PatrickHenry
By the way ... I seem to recall a certain poster who used to frequently cite the platypus as an example of a "specially-created" creature, because -- he claimed -- it had no ancestral line. The platypus was his alleged "proof" that evolution was bogus. I wonder what he'd say about all this?


Platypus, anyone?

31 posted on 02/11/2005 7:53:57 AM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: balrog666

Bless you for posting that.


32 posted on 02/11/2005 7:55:47 AM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Cool! :-)


33 posted on 02/11/2005 7:56:10 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: PatrickHenry
"Some embryologists had the idea that it might be convergent but nobody really believed this," says palaeontologist Thomas Martin of the Senckenberg Research Institute in Frankfurt, Germany. "I was quite shocked when I heard that such a complex morphological transformation happened twice."

:-} I'll bet.

34 posted on 02/11/2005 8:01:43 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Elpasser

Hi! Actually, I was just posting those quotes to show, in the evolutionists own words, the inconsistencies of evolution theory. The slow, methodical march of RM/NS seems to be insufficient to account for the complex morphological transformations we see in nature.
I agree with what you said, btw. :)


35 posted on 02/11/2005 8:04:22 AM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory. Lots of links on my homepage...)
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To: TalonDJ

Agree. Evolutionists have to deal with many stubborn facts. Such as the predominance of sexual reproduction. How would a successfully mutated individual advantage its offspring by mating with a non-mutated individual and diluting or eliminating its genetic advantage in that offspring?

I was thinking the other day about all of the distinct breeds of dogs that were -- yes -- designed by human intervention. What do you think would happen if all humans were suddenly removed and those dogs ran wild and interbred? It is most likely that you would soon end up with the conglomerated brown/gray mutt that you see hanging around in poor third world countries. In other words, the dogs that may have developed some survival "advantage" over the others would nonetheless copulate with the first hot bitch -- be it chihuahua or doberman -- that they found. That's what undirected randomness involves.


36 posted on 02/11/2005 8:06:51 AM PST by Elpasser
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

I understand perfectly the import of your posting. It is amusing that ardent evolutionists seem to find the article supportive!


37 posted on 02/11/2005 8:08:22 AM PST by Elpasser
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To: Elpasser

"I have found that ardent evolutionists invariably point to what someone else says, rather than using their own power of reason."

Point to what somebody else says, like say, 1 chapter of a 1-bazillion year old book written secondhand by a few dozen different people?


38 posted on 02/11/2005 8:10:47 AM PST by Begferdeth
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To: Elsie; LiteKeeper; AndrewC; Havoc; bondserv; Right in Wisconsin; ohioWfan; mista science; ...

Platypus Ping


39 posted on 02/11/2005 8:14:11 AM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory. Lots of links on my homepage...)
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To: Squawk 8888

I thought a platypus was the love child of a near-sighted beaver and a seductive mallard.


40 posted on 02/11/2005 8:16:15 AM PST by najida (Where is my smelling nose dog and my parking space! I have Anomsia, ya know.)
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