Dog Soldiers of the American Indian Movement (AIM)

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[Snapple]

An Indian publication points out that when he speaks Colorado's radical professor Ward Churchill is "shielded apparently by his own American Indian Movement (AIM) security team." http://www.indiancountry.com/content.cfm?id=1096410293

[Snapple]

Verloc? They dumped him fast.
Maybe it existed to spy on him.

Lee Hill is an anarchist, not an American agent.

[Snapple]

These Dog Soldiers are not called Churchill's fake Dog Soldiers.

Here is a chronology about the murder of an AIM member named Anna Mae Aquash.

The Lakota Dog Soldiers are mentioned and in a way that seems to be authentic. The killer of Anna Mae, Arlo Looking Cloud, may have been a dog soldier:

"Looking Cloud recieving, and having the gun would be consistent with Lakota traditional ethics dealing with Dog Soldier protocal. Graham was not a Lakota, and a woman would not generally have been assigned the responsibility of dealing with Lakota Dog Soldier business on Lakota land, therefore, it is more likely that Looking Cloud originally did have or recieved the gun."
http://www.jfamr.org/trialtime.html

I can't say how accurate this chronology is, but it does mention the Dog Soldiers and post it for that reason.

Here is another referrence to Dog Soldiers:

"DeMain has included more detailed versions of the alleged events, naming three individuals he believes were involved in Aquash's kidnapping. In DeMain's view the kidnappers (one of whom he claims was also the trigger man in the execution) were acting on orders from above. "These boys wanted to be dog soldiers," he says. "They wanted to be in the gang, they wanted to be important people. They were already doing security and toting around guns. So when someone in the movement ordered Anna Mae's pick-up, they went and did it."
http://www.citypages.com/databank/21/1002/article8432.asp?page=3

[Chad Fairbanks]

I speak fact, and you reply with fiction. Verloc? GIve me a break.

[Snapple]

You are full of vague allegations that are not backed by any evidence.

Lee Hill just says he is CIA like Ward Churchill says he is an Indian.

[Chad Fairbanks]

So, some people make claims about "Traditional Dog Soldier" business, and some punk kid thugs claimed they wanted to be "dog soldiers" means that Dog Soldiers, as an organization, exist utside of the official Dog Soldier Societies of old... ok.

I can call myself a Dog Soldier all I want, but that wouldn't make it so...

[Snapple]

Verloc. The anarchist in Conrad's Secret Agent. The anarchist who is working for two intelligence services.
Who blows up a kid.

Lee Hill was reportedly in a detective agency called Verloc.

Didn't work out.

[Ladypixel]

Do you know this Indian writer named Suzan Shown Harjo?

I've had the great pleasure to have met Ms. Harjo a number of times, but have not had the ability to spend long periods of time talking to her. It's been a few years since I saw her last, but I can say that she's a very well-spoken woman, and does a lot for Native American concerns.

[Snapple]

It sounds like an initiation to me--"they wanted to be in the gang" the quote claims.

"Looking Cloud recieving, and having the gun would be consistent with Lakota traditional ethics dealing with Dog Soldier protocal.

These are real Indians.

[Chad Fairbanks]

He's had other ties. Some cases he worked, both as a federal prosecutor AND as a private attorney.

He's a lawyer, and does a lot of civil rights cases for Colorado-AIM, IN ADDITION To other indians, and indian groups. Not just AIM.

That doesn't make him an anti-american. Defending unpopular causes, regardless of who they are? I'd say that makes him American.

[kingu]

"Looking Cloud recieving, and having the gun would be consistent with Lakota traditional ethics dealing with Dog Soldier protocal. Graham was not a Lakota, and a woman would not generally have been assigned the responsibility of dealing with Lakota Dog Soldier business on Lakota land, therefore, it is more likely that Looking Cloud originally did have or recieved the gun."

Do you keep that in a notepad to cut and paste as a part of your reply?

[Ladypixel]

Worse. Jon benet Ramsey's murder. Churchill and AIM did it, according to Snapple.

Y'know, when you two posted stuff about that, I had to take a moment of thought, because words completely failed me. And here I'd thought I was talking to a somewhat rational person prior to that... So, when do you folks think he's going to decide that AIM supplied the guns for the Columbine killings? I mean, shoot, it happened in Colorado like the rest of this...

[Chad Fairbanks]

These are real Indians

They were punk kids, suceptable to bad influences. They wanted to be in a gang - that right there means they were not "Dog Soldiers". Period.

[Chad Fairbanks]

Well, AIM wanted revenge for the Wounded Knee Massacre, and since a shortened form of Columbine is "Combine", which is used on farms, in places like South Dakota, well, there you go...

[kingu]

Well, AIM wanted revenge for the Wounded Knee Massacre, and since a shortened form of Columbine is "Combine", which is used on farms, in places like South Dakota, well, there you go...

No, no.. We're talking Colorado AIM. So, they were seeking revenge for the Sand Creek Massacre.

[Ladypixel]

It sounds like an initiation to me--"they wanted to be in the gang" the quote claims.

"Looking Cloud recieving, and having the gun would be consistent with Lakota traditional ethics dealing with Dog Soldier protocal.

These are real Indians.

Yes, they're real Indians. I know members of the Looking Cloud family, too, and can vouch that yes, there is a Looking Cloud family, and yes, they're Indian. But something you're missing is this: THERE ARE NO LAKOTA DOG SOLDIERS. The Lakota - and heck, any branch of the Sioux nation, whether it's Lakota, Dakota, or Nokota - do not have a Dog Soldier society. Sure, they may have wanted to "be in the gang". But that's exactly what they were in - a gang. Not a Dog Soldier society. As to whether it was initiation or not, I'm afraid that the Dog Soldier societies wouldn't have made someone go kill someone for initiation. They are not gangs, they are societies. The Masons have initiation ceremonies, too. So do the Elks, the Kiwanis, and virtually any other male-oriented non-Indian society. What makes you think that the Dog Soldier society is any different in that regard? I can tell you: you read it somewhere. Well, guess what: not everything you read is real.

[Chad Fairbanks]

Well, they got revenge for that when Kobe Bryant was drugged by members of Colorado-AIM, and they framed him for rape...

[Chad Fairbanks]

The Masons have initiation ceremonies, too. So do the Elks, the Kiwanis, and virtually any other male-oriented non-Indian society. What makes you think that the Dog Soldier society is any different in that regard?

It's different because we are indians, and so we are brute savage thugs and criminals blah blah blah

[Ladypixel]

I should know better than to eat dinner while reading threads by now. I really, really should.

But it must not have stuck in my head, because I was happily eating dinner until I suddenly managed to spit cheese onto my laptop monitor due to a sudden burst of laughter. Man, what a waste of good cheese. *headshake*

[Chad Fairbanks]

Heh heh heh

[kingu]

It's different because we are indians, and so we are brute savage thugs and criminals blah blah blah

Don't forget that we drive Hummers, own multiple casinos, enjoy vast mansions, and plan on annexing every third city in the United States with our wages of sin. Oh, and at the same time, we're living on government dole.