Posted on 02/10/2005 8:00:51 AM PST by PresbyRev
"We're a Juedo-Christian nation with a secular goverment."
Nicely put...and pithy too.
There is a wonderful book called The Bulletproof George Washington. It's about George Washington during the French-Indian War and how God protected him from being killed during the War.
Deism was a Christian heresy. No doubt some few of the Founders were influenced by Deism. Yet, they still maintained a connection to the Church. They still functioned in a Christian culture that allowed for them to trifle with Deism. And since most seemed to maintain belief in a God who answered prayers and was involved with human life and history on this planet, they could not believe in the Deity of Deism, because such a Deity is only an absentee landlord.
Below is a link to facts which refute the publiK sKool urban legend that the Founding Fathers were not Christian:
http://members.aol.com/Patriarchy/definitions/deism.htm
you are taking the 250 men story out of context. these people were destroyed by YHVH for rebelling against God, not some percieved earthly gvt. Israel had been living in Egypt and had picked up false religion (re the golden calf). that is why they have to be kept apart from other people for so long in the wilderness.. to be purged of false beliefs and taught the truth. it is also a story of death=rebelion against God. not rebelion against gvt. the story of David vs Saul is proof of that.
a great read - this should be a text book in schools
Have you read the Federalist papers. It was a concensus among the founding fathers that democracy was nothing more than tyrany by a majority. That's why they gave us a representative Republic instead.
That and the book "History Stories You Never Read in School". Apparently, an old textbook from the schools of the 1800s that tells the story of the American Revolution. There is also supposed to be another that's similar about the drafting of the Constitution called "We the People"
> these people were destroyed by YHVH for rebelling against God, not some percieved earthly gvt.
What "rebellion" woudl that be?
And what was the crime committed by the 14,700 people God wiped out with plague? Because they complained that God killed those 250?
OK. The lesson here:
Democratic representation: BAD.
Dissent: BAD.
Thanks for the tip. Here are another two good reads on this issue:
http://www.americanvision.org/twobooks-worldmag.asp
> Limits on the authority of a king, placed by the governed, is the fruit ...
... of numerous pagan societies, such as the pre-Christian Icelanders. However, once Iceland Christianized, their slide into theocratic monarchical tryanny began.
> No doubt some few of the Founders were influenced by Deism. Yet, they still maintained a connection to the Church.
Well, DUH. It was certainly no better then than now. Assume, for the moment, that the *perfect* Republican candidate was running for, say Senator or President. He has all the right positions and paltforms. And then it comes out that he's an atheist. Will he get *your* vote?
It's easier to just shut up and go to church, as Washington did. Don't participate to any real degree, but just suck it up, waste your Sunday, and put on a show. Spout a few religious platitudes now and then, while making sure that the *really* important things, like Constitutions and whatnot, don't get loaded with theism. Politics.
"including the Jews recognize God is without basis."
Where I'm coming from is that the 10 commandments are incorpated into almost all our laws then and now. These laws were handed down by God to Moses who was...
As such, is see a basis.
My apology.
Those whacky pre-Christian Icelanders also liked to dig up the dead in order to wear the skinned legs/pelvis area of the deceased on top of their own skin; amongst other practices. As all humans are - a mixed bag.
That various cultures and societies have had and practiced truth, the fruit of general revelation, they lacked the perfections of God's Law, special revelation. Of course, the unregenerate who hates God and actively seeks to suppress his guilty knowledge of the Creator, will seek any number of ways to deny his obligation to bow the knee to the Moral Law-Giver of the Universe.
Post-Christianization in the Middle Ages you would indeed find the growth of political and religious tyranny, just as you would on Continental Europe. Not because of the acceptance and practice of Scripture, but because God's Law-Word was so largely ignored.
Ours is a new book. Old, traditional concepts, new up-to-date research.
I know many here in the south that claim to be Christians. How do they resolve the conflict between being a democrat and God's own words?
Duh indeed. Don't let the facts confuse you. The Founders were Christians. The founding documents are the product of a Christian culture.
If you want your Enlightenment Deism running its course, you will have to go the French Revolution. Goddess Reason, Guillotine, Secular State and all.
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