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Shooting of bears stirs outcry
Sacramento Bee ^ | 2/10/5 | Barte Osborn

Posted on 02/10/2005 7:59:36 AM PST by SmithL

TAHOMA - Public reaction to the shooting Friday of three bears - a mother and two yearling cubs hibernating beneath a west Lake Tahoe cabin - is so intense the homeowners who authorized it fear for their lives.

"It's a nightmare - every other call is a threat from someone who's going to burn down my cabin or shoot me on sight," Russ Tonda said Wednesday.

Several weeks ago, the Granite Bay man and his wife discovered about $100,000 in damage to a cabin they've owned for 40 years in the Chamberlands neighborhood here. The culprits apparently were the bears, which had entered the crawl space through an unsecured door.

The bear family had helped themselves to food from the pantry and to couch cushions and blankets from the beds.

"It was the worst damage I've ever seen in a house," said Ann Bryant, director of the 900-member BEAR League, which works to help people and bears live in harmony.

Called by Placer County sheriff's deputies, Bryant discovered the adult bear, a small sow sleepily looking up from a red comforter. With her flashlight, Bryant did not spot the two blond yearling cubs apparently behind their mother.

The Tondas initially decided to leave the bear alone and with Bryant's help, secured a trapdoor into the house by placing heavy furniture and firewood on it.

Tonda said Bryant advised him and his wife to leave the bear undisturbed. "She said if we chased it out, it would not survive in the elements," he said.

But the insurance company refused inspection until the bear was gone, and Tonda contacted state Department of Fish and Game officials. Learning they wouldn't move the bear, he obtained a permit and hired three men to shoot the animal.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: animalrights; animalrightsnuts; deadbears; environment; environuts; envirowackos; enviroweenies; goldilocks; humanlifeissacred; moralrelativism; peta; unbearable
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To: GOP_1900AD

Well I'll tell you what, you show me where I said a black bear couldn't tear the door off of a cabin and I'll apologize.

Until then, shut the hell up.


61 posted on 02/10/2005 12:21:40 PM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: GOP_1900AD

For reference this was your first post claiming I said as much.

"What's the problem? Are you afraid of a little bear that you claim cannot rip off a cabin door?"

Had you bothered to read you'd have made note of the fact that what I was questioning was their ability to tear off the closed and secured (locked) door of a car.

Don't worry, I don't expect you to reply and admit your mistake.


62 posted on 02/10/2005 12:28:19 PM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: SmithL

But .. why didn't they call a zoo or an animal rescue place, or what about Sea World - they have all kinds of equipment to help wild animals.

Sad - I can understand why they would want to destroy the animals - but it too bad they didn't know there were other avenues of getting rid of the bears.


63 posted on 02/10/2005 1:45:08 PM PST by CyberAnt (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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To: goldstategop; Eaker; habs4ever; Ditter; shaggy eel; dorben; Son of Rooster; Tennessee_Bob; ...
The PETA animal rights nuts - well I can see they value animals over human beings.

sickening. And they use the general public's ignorance of animals and animal behavior to get their agenda raiilroaded through.

64 posted on 02/15/2005 3:15:41 PM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
The homeowners should have waited until after they were mauled by the bears.

I mean, yeah, didn't they know the bears would eventually wake up and venture up to the kitchen for a midwinter snack or early spring breakfast?

65 posted on 02/15/2005 3:17:14 PM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: CyberAnt
But .. why didn't they call a zoo or an animal rescue place, or what about Sea World - they have all kinds of equipment to help wild animals.

Because they'd get the same runaround they get from animal control and the DNR. "just leave them alone and they'll go away." Have you *ever* tried to get someone to act on nuisance animals?

66 posted on 02/15/2005 3:18:19 PM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: CyberAnt
but it too bad they didn't know there were other avenues of getting rid of the bears.

None quite as effective.

67 posted on 02/15/2005 3:18:44 PM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: SmithL
BEAR League, which works to help people and bears live in harmony.

Awww! Ain't that special! I wonder how the bears would react if they woke up to find a human curled up in their den with them.

"I'd like to teach the world to sing... "

68 posted on 02/15/2005 3:22:21 PM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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Bryant advised him and his wife to leave the bear undisturbed. "She said if we chased it out, it would not survive in the elements," he said.

Who the H*ll cares???? AAAUGH!

69 posted on 02/15/2005 3:23:26 PM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: Bikers4Bush
You can call it a resort area but it's not exactly back country

ROFL!
I live in the back country. Tahoe is Metropolis!
I have no sympathy for these flatlanders at all. When you live in bear country you take precautions so the bears don't get in your home. These vacation home kooks are a bunch of enviro whackos who buy mountain property because they "love" nature. You see just how quick they'll kill that nature when it gets between them and the insurance man!
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70 posted on 02/15/2005 3:33:01 PM PST by mugs99 (Restore the Constitution)
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To: Terriergal

71 posted on 02/15/2005 4:32:00 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: mugs99

Exactly, thank you.


72 posted on 02/16/2005 5:40:54 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: kenth

"The threats of violence are ridiculous. But, these people didn't have the bears killed for anyone's safety, they had them killed so they could get the insurance people in there right away."

They were not going in the cabin. Their cabin (not the bears) because there were three bears in it! The insurance people didn't want to send someone over there. Was it because the bears were sitting on crucial material that they had to judge? I doubt it. It was because there were bears in it.

You don't mess with a momma bear (especially with cubs), and it's their home.

They shot the bears so they could SAFELY use the cabin again. The insurance people could wait, and the hoimeowners COULD wait, but why? They had a threat in their home. Should they abandon it, or get rid of the problem?


73 posted on 02/16/2005 8:56:18 AM PST by MacDorcha
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To: cubreporter

You don't want to "coax" a bear. Ever.

The tranquilizers might have been useful, but what if the bear learned that it's OK to go into cabins? All that would happen to it is it would get well fed, then wake up a few hundred yards away.

I'm just saying that that is iffy at best. It is a nice alternative, but would you be willing to take the chance?

If a burglar broke into your house, would you want him tranquilized and released? Or would you want him to learn not to do it again? Now dwell on that a minute, and imagine what it would take to teach a wild bear anything.


74 posted on 02/16/2005 9:03:43 AM PST by MacDorcha
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To: MacDorcha

Well, that makes sense but was just thinking that perhaps that might have been a better road. I dont' know. It's just sad.


75 posted on 02/16/2005 9:11:10 AM PST by cubreporter (I Trust Rush...he's the man.)
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To: MacDorcha

Well, that makes sense but was just thinking that perhaps that might have been a better road. I dont' know. It's just sad.


76 posted on 02/16/2005 9:11:33 AM PST by cubreporter (I Trust Rush...he's the man.)
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To: cubreporter

I hear ya.

I doubt the owners enjoyed having the bears shot.

I wouldn't have.

But I still would do it for my home.


77 posted on 02/16/2005 9:15:00 AM PST by MacDorcha
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To: SmithL

They should have left the bears a "pick-a-nick" basket.


78 posted on 02/16/2005 9:18:49 AM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: MacDorcha

Well, hope I never have to be in that position. :(


79 posted on 02/16/2005 4:06:02 PM PST by cubreporter (I Trust Rush...he's the man.)
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