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Settlement hasn't hurt Windows, Justice lawyer says (Windows continues to dominate)
Seattle PI ^ | 2/10/2005 | GREG STOHR

Posted on 02/10/2005 6:13:21 AM PST by KwasiOwusu

Microsoft Corp.'s 2001 antitrust settlement with the Bush administration hasn't reduced the dominance of the company's Windows personal computer operating system, a Justice Department lawyer said yesterday.

There has been "no demonstrable change in the operating system marketplace," government lawyer Renata Hesse said in Washington in response to a question from the federal judge overseeing the accord. "Microsoft continues to have a large share in that market."

The 2001 agreement resolved a suit that at one point threatened the world's largest software maker with a breakup
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Kollar-Kotelly, who approved the settlement in 2002, said she wasn't concerned about Microsoft's dominance of the operating system and Web browser markets.

"I assumed it would not be something quick," she said. "The idea was to provide incentives. The question is whether people will respond to it."
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"Microsoft still has plus-90 percent of the Web browser market," Houck told Kollar-Kotelly.

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The appeals court also overturned a different trial judge's order to break up Microsoft.

(Excerpt) Read more at seattlepi.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: antitrust; kneepads; microsoft; microsoftastroturf; paidshill; saintbill; trollfromredmond; windows
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There is a lot to be thankful for, not least the killing of brain dead plan by the corrupt Klinton administration to break up Microsoft.
Thank God for the pro-business Bush administration!
1 posted on 02/10/2005 6:13:22 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: rdb3; chance33_98; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Bush2000; PenguinWry; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; ...

Ping to another Kwasi thread!


2 posted on 02/10/2005 6:39:46 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: KwasiOwusu
The big reason why Linux hasn't made significant inroads on desktop machines (besides the fact Microsoft Windows XP Home/Pro are preinstalled on most new machines) is the fact Linux still has nowhere near the hardware driver support Windows now enjoys.

I mean think about it: is it easy to install new software in Linux? Can you easily install or remove driver support for computer hardware out there? And do the hardware drivers offer full support for the hardware in question?

3 posted on 02/10/2005 6:43:40 AM PST by RayChuang88
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To: KwasiOwusu
Microsoft Corp.'s 2001 antitrust settlement with the Bush administration hasn't reduced the dominance of the company's Windows personal computer operating system, a Justice Department lawyer said yesterday.

There has been "no demonstrable change in the operating system marketplace," government lawyer Renata Hesse said in Washington in response to a question from the federal judge overseeing the accord. "Microsoft continues to have a large share in that market."

No kidding. All the laws, lawyers, and federal judges in the world can't change the basic structure of the marketplace. Except to screw it up, which they did.

I'm no MS purist...I use Mozilla for much of my personal browsing. But their centralization of the basics has moved the technology level of the PC business ahead at least 5 years, and possibly ten.

-Eric

4 posted on 02/10/2005 6:44:53 AM PST by E Rocc (Leftists look at liberty the way Christians look at sin.)
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To: RayChuang88
The big reason why Linux hasn't made significant inroads on desktop machines (besides the fact Microsoft Windows XP Home/Pro are preinstalled on most new machines) is the fact Linux still has nowhere near the hardware driver support Windows now enjoys.
My understanding is that the habit of some of the "open source" purists of harrasing manufacturers who don't offer Linux drivers has actually backfired, and major companies simply don't want to deal with "those people".

-Eric

5 posted on 02/10/2005 6:46:57 AM PST by E Rocc (Leftists look at liberty the way Christians look at sin.)
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To: KwasiOwusu

Microsoft's dominance of the web browser market is waning because better products are entering the marketplace. Mozilla's Firefox browser is regarded as a superior product in many ways most importantly in offering better security. What's more it's free.


6 posted on 02/10/2005 7:12:47 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: E Rocc

Drivers for peripherals is a big drawback for most of us casual users, in Linux and in beta x64 Windows. Non tech users just don't have the time and inclination to search out the needed drivers. Also, the available drivers may not work on the latest video cards, printers, etc.

I have an AMD 64 system and want to go to the Win x64 OS, but frankly don't want the frustration of cobbling it together. I read that the final release of MS XP 64 must be installed as a clean install. Even that is a pain as I'd rather just up my XP 32 to XP 64 to save the time of loading in the rest of my applications (some that I no longer have the installer for).


7 posted on 02/10/2005 7:19:20 AM PST by RicocheT
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To: KwasiOwusu
There is a lot to be thankful for....

I suppose only someone on their knees to Gates could say something like that.

8 posted on 02/10/2005 9:32:07 AM PST by JoJo Gunn (More than two lawyers in any Country constitutes a terrorist organization. ©)
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To: ShadowAce
According to some web server statistics, the installed base of Windows desktop computers on the Internet appears to be shrinking -

User-Agent statistics for Windows-based web browsers have dropped 5 Percent in the last six months.

Microsoft is in a panic.

9 posted on 02/10/2005 10:34:11 AM PST by HAL9000 (Skype me at "FreeRepublic")
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To: HAL9000
According to some web server statistics, the installed base of Windows desktop computers on the Internet appears to be shrinking -

Or more accurately - the installed base share is shrinking...

10 posted on 02/10/2005 10:36:58 AM PST by HAL9000 (Skype me at "FreeRepublic")
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To: HAL9000; ShadowAce; All

Yahoo is acknowledging (somewhat) that Firefox is a power to be reckoned with now, since today they offer a toolbar for it:

http://www.internetnews.com/xSP/print.php/3482141

At least it's a beginning. Now they need to code their Yahoo Mail so that Mozilla can use all the editing functions.


11 posted on 02/10/2005 11:41:23 AM PST by JoJo Gunn (More than two lawyers in any Country constitutes a terrorist organization. ©)
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To: E Rocc; Poohbah; Congressman Billybob; Howlin; section9; Dog; JohnHuang2; Once-Ler; veronica; ...

The DOJ is lucky there was even a settlement.

I don't know HOW the appeals court didn't decide to just kill the entire case. When a judge is commenting on the case to a reporter and embargoing said comments - and those comments show clear frigging bias.

Thomas Penfield Jackson is going to make legal textbooks - as Exhibit A in "How *NOT* to Handle a Case."


12 posted on 02/10/2005 11:58:28 AM PST by hchutch (A pro-artificial turf, pro-designated hitter baseball fan.)
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To: KwasiOwusu

microsoft has NOT paid out one dime of this money.

because several appeals were filed.

until the appeals are resolved, no money will be paid.


13 posted on 02/10/2005 12:07:31 PM PST by ken21 (most news today is either stupid or evil.)
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To: hchutch
I don't know HOW the appeals court didn't decide to just kill the entire case. When a judge is commenting on the case to a reporter and embargoing said comments - and those comments show clear frigging bias.
Like other sleazy politicians, Jackson was outraged that someone dared develop a new product without the aid and permission of the bureaucracy. Hence this case, akin to suing GM for refusing to sell cars without transmissions.

-Eric

14 posted on 02/10/2005 12:07:47 PM PST by E Rocc (Leftists look at liberty the way Christians look at sin.)
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To: ShadowAce

Thanks for the ping.


15 posted on 02/10/2005 12:40:35 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: hchutch
I don't know HOW the appeals court didn't decide to just kill the entire case.

Because Microsoft was clearly leveraging its Windows monopoly in an anti-competitive manner, especially in its OEM licensing terms.

16 posted on 02/10/2005 1:39:13 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: The Great RJ

There is no browser "marketplace". A marketplace is where goods and services are bought, sold and traded. With the exception of Opera, web browsers are free.


17 posted on 02/10/2005 3:11:46 PM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To: E Rocc
Like other sleazy politicians, Jackson was outraged that someone dared develop a new product without the aid and permission of the bureaucracy. Hence this case, akin to suing GM for refusing to sell cars without transmissions.

That's funny I can buy a Kenworth truck WITHOUT a Motor, transmission, and rearend gears. It's called a 'Glider Kit'.

Go to your local KW dealer and ask him.

And it's not just KW, most truck companies do this, including GM.

18 posted on 02/10/2005 4:35:42 PM PST by amigatec (There are no significant bugs in our software... Maybe you're not using it properly.- Bill Gates)
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To: E Rocc

Try this link:

http://www.kenworth.com/6600_pro_glo.asp


19 posted on 02/10/2005 4:37:42 PM PST by amigatec (There are no significant bugs in our software... Maybe you're not using it properly.- Bill Gates)
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To: E Rocc

And here:

http://www.lawrencetransportation.com/GliderKits.htm


20 posted on 02/10/2005 4:39:19 PM PST by amigatec (There are no significant bugs in our software... Maybe you're not using it properly.- Bill Gates)
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