LAWMAKERS OPPOSE MEXICO DEAL (Social security for illegals)

THE WASHINGTON TIMES ^ | Feb. 09, 2005 | Stephen Dinan

[JustAnotherSavage]

The two hot-button issues that President Bush wants to tackle this year — Social Security and immigration — are about to collide. Two members of Congress will try to block an agreement that the Bush administration signed with Mexico that would allow Mexicans who have worked in the United States, including some illegal immigrants, to receive Social Security payments. Rep. Virgil H. Goode Jr., Virginia Republican, will introduce a resolution today calling on the president not to submit the agreement to Congress. And Rep. J.D. Hayworth, Arizona Republican, has prepared another resolution to block the deal, called a totalization agreement, if and when the administration submits it to Congress. "This is the flash point between border security and Social Security, and it is a major fault line," Mr. Hayworth said. Although the congressmen are approaching the issue as proponents of immigration reform, they are being joined by a seniors advocacy group that argues the president endangers his plans to reform Social Security by pushing for an agreement that would deepen the financial hole in which the retirement program finds itself........

Mr. Haddow, former Health and Human Services chief of staff, said the key difference is the role that illegal Mexican labor plays in the American economy.

But he said the government shouldn't use Social Security as "a piggy bank to send some sort of reward down to [Mexican President] Vicente Fox."

[JustAnotherSavage]

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The criminal raid on Social Security Michelle Malkin January 7, 2004

My 8-week-old son's Social Security card recently arrived in the mail. On the back, there's a stern warning: "Improper use of this card or number by anyone is punishable by fine, imprisonment or both."

Welcome to the world of government theft and selective enforcement, my boy.--snip---

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ONE ILLEGAL COULD COST U.S. TAXPAYERS ONE-HALF MILLION BUCKS

"If a 24-year-old Mexican national who has worked illegally in the U.S. for three years is able to present documents from a friendly doctor and either a W-2 or pay stubs that indicate $12,000 in annual earnings, he will be eligible for the following: nearly $8,000 per year in disability income (adjusted for inflation), until age 65, at which point he would receive the same amount as retirement pay. (If he manages to get an under-the-table job in the U.S. or Mexico, he will be able to double-dip for a second income stream.) If he is survived by his wife or dependents, his family would be able to receive up to almost $12,000 annually. If he dies at 60, and his widow lives to 85, U.S. taxpayers will be on the hook for nearly a half-million dollars. That’s for one worker brought into Social Security by the pact." Source: Joel Mowbray, National Review, 1/27/03, pp. 22, 24

162,000 MEXICAN BENEFICIARIES?

" ‘We are concerned about the sheer magnitude of the agreement,’ said a House Republican aide who is an expert on Social Security. About 94,000 beneficiaries living abroad have been brought into the system by the 20 existing international agreements. A Mexican agreement alone could bring in 162,000 in the first five years." Source: Jonathan Weisman, Washington Post, 12/19/02, p. A1 ________

Free Republic Opinion Poll: Do you approve of the plan to let some of the eight million illegal aliens in the United States move toward legal status without penalty -- but with social security benefits? Composite Opinion No 85.2% 1,400 Yes 8.8% 145 Undecided 6.0% 98 100.0% 1,643

[JustAnotherSavage]

" "These folks aren't paying taxes into the Mexican system, and they're only paying into the American system at the lowest wage rate," he said.
Mr. Haddow said his members are likely to support Mr. Bush's plans on Social Security, which makes their opposition to totalization that much more important politically."

[newgeezer]

Already posted here

(with the original title).

[Sassy_Sissy]

Two members of Congress will try to block an agreement that the Bush administration signed with Mexico that would allow Mexicans who have worked in the United States, including some illegal immigrants, to receive Social Security payments.

Thank the Christ child!

[Jersey Republican Biker Chick]

I am sick to death of these illegals benefiting from breaking the law. They broke the law, kick them out. Stop rewarding them.

[viaveritasvita]

It's truly sickening!! Just the other day I was saying that the only reason I could think of for Bush's position on illegals was that perhaps we needed workers to cover Social Security for the baby boomers. Now I'm not even sure about that.

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[JustAnotherSavage]

Darn!! I double checked, it took me too long to get it posted, computer troubles this morning!!

Admin: Maybe this one should be blocked?

[JustAnotherSavage]

I heard the author on CSpan just a bit ago.

Sorry, I blew this one, it was posted, just didn't get that it was the same one!

[rolling_stone]

That's nice, how about repealing the WEP and PO that limited benefits to hundreds of thousands of US Citizens by changing the rules AFTER they had been working.....instead of rewarding lawbreakers and adding benefits they never expected or should expect? Americans first.

[stevio]

I'm starting to think we have to hammer their employers even more.

[No phonys allowed]

If the Repbulicans don't get off their butt and do something of substance to combat this illegal immigration outrage, they will hand the White House to Hill and Bill in 2008

[nosofar]

...the Bush administration signed with Mexico that would allow Mexicans who have worked in the United States, including some illegal immigrants, to receive Social Security payments.

This is the first I've heard about this. Bush doesn't seem to be too concerned about illegal immigration, but I had no idea he would go this far.

[JustAnotherSavage]

The State Dept. and the White House worked up this totalization agreeement, sent Powell to Mexico to announce it.
There's been quite some discussion about it for months on FR. It is now up to the congress to disapprove enough to stop it. I understand it calls for some "privitization" of SS accounts for Mexico.

According to a GAO report in Sept. 04, the SSA is paying out over a billion a year to NON qualifying disability recipients now. Can you imagine Mexican citizens being thrown in that mix?

[JustAnotherSavage]

Really interesting battle in the House on CSPAN right now about HR 418, the REAL ID act.

[TomasUSMC]

We are going to provide Social Security for the Whole World but not for Americans - if this President has his way.

Come on W, why are you always kissing Vincente's hind quarters? What has Mexico EVER done for U.S.?

[Hop A Long Cassidy]

"If a 24-year-old Mexican national who has worked illegally in the U.S. for three years is able to present documents from a friendly doctor and either a W-2 or pay stubs that indicate $12,000 in annual earnings... If he dies at 60, and his widow lives to 85, U.S. taxpayers will be on the hook for nearly a half-million dollars.


"If a 24-year-old Mexican national who has worked illegally in the U.S. for three years is able to present documents from a friendly doctor and either a W-2 or pay stubs that indicate $12,000 in annual earnings...
he should be arrested on the spot for illegal entry.

Where does Bush think we're going to get this kind of money?

Hoppy

[joedelta]

Amen, Amen, and Amen