Posted on 02/09/2005 9:00:18 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage
BUSH BACKPEDALING ON AMNESTY? By Michelle Malkin · February 09, 2005 04:31 AM
At The Tar Pit, Sabertooth thinks President Bush may be backing down on amnesty. That speculation is based on Rep. Tom DeLay's statement in this New York Times article:
WASHINGTON, Feb. 8 - Representative Tom DeLay of Texas, the House majority leader, said Tuesday that conservatives might be able to compromise with President Bush on his proposal allowing illegal immigrants to work in the United States legally.
Such a compromise could entail, for example, requiring illegal immigrants to return to their native countries to apply for the program, Mr. DeLay said.
Mr. DeLay said he talked recently with the president, who has advocated a guest worker program that would be open to workers who are currently in the country illegally as well as to newcomers.
"He doesn't discount the notion, for instance, that you have to apply for it in your country of origin," Mr. DeLay said of the president. "He thought that was a great idea."
Lots of other good stuff at The Tar Pit, including this post about an effort by Sens. John McCain and Larry Craig to thwart Rep. James Sensenbrenner's proposed legislation for federal standards for state drivers licenses. http://thetarpit.blogspot.com/2005/02/could-bush-blink-on-amnesty.html
LOL, I used no such inflammatory comments. Just made a request that if they want to be here to do it legally. I guess if that is inflammatory, I don't know what to say.
Fine. We've been on the Korean border 50+ years.
It's time we guarded our own borders. Let Korea & Germany safeguard themselves.
Tactic #1 within the Anti-Bush Caucus. (ABPAC)
The loudmouths whine incessantly about the supposed millions of dollars illegal immigration costs society, and never say a word about the tens of billions of dollars which Me-ocratic moral-liberalism costs us each and every year.
If I recall correctly, hutch is libertarian on domestic social issues. Try not to alienate another ally.
I'm generally libertarian, but I am pro-life and oppose gay marriage.
Being pro-life is a very (small-l) libertarian position to take and I agree with it. As far as gays, I think the states should decide on it. Quite frankly, I could care less who f#&%s who.
That's a nice non-answer.
Yes. And there was a great deal of argument about all those details before and after the war.
Now, it's curious as hell that the "put the military on the border" folks are so damn cagey, especially when there's an issue with the Posse Comitatus Act, as well as this mission not being likely to actually succeed over the long term.
If this is an invasion, it is an act of war. Fighting a purely defensive war ultimately means ceding the initiative to the enemy. Ceding the initiative to the enemy ultimately means defeat.
No --- you're right --- there is absolutely no evidence at all that millions of dirt cheap, uninsured permanent "guests" are needed. My point though was IF THEY WERE --- which is not the case --- why would we want a policy that ruled out guests from a variety of countries? This is because the guest worker amnesty plan is being pushed by Vicente Fox --- no other reason whatsoever. IF it were coming from a true need for guests it wouldn't be such an obviously biased racist plan. It would be open to a variety of guests. Like all other immigration at one time was.
President Bush is smart, but removed from the reality on the ground in D.C. after a while as all top executives are. It will take a terrorist act across the southern border for him to slam the hammer down. He could declare martial law and create a dead zone on our border in 12 hours. I'm afraid that's what it will look like.
They don't show up now and that's the way that Mexico is sending them. Actaully a boxcar of 11 dead illegals, a semi-trailer of 100 half dead and several fully dead illegals doesn't produce any outrage --- at least not if they're coming in from Mexico that way. No one cares about the corruption in Mexico that has the serial murderers and rapists of over 400 women and girls in just one border town running free --- protected by their government. Where's all the outrage in that? Where's the outrage that one of the world's top ten wealthiest countries is so pathetically corrupt that one in five of it's citizens has fled and the desperation is even more higher?
They don't show up now and that's the way that Mexico is sending them. Actaully a boxcar of 11 dead illegals, a semi-trailer of 100 half dead and several fully dead illegals doesn't produce any outrage --- at least not if they're coming in from Mexico that way. No one cares about the corruption in Mexico that has the serial murderers and rapists of over 400 women and girls in just one border town running free --- protected by their government. Where's all the outrage in that? Where's the outrage that one of the world's top ten wealthiest countries is so pathetically corrupt that one in five of it's citizens has fled and the desperation is even more higher?
I also suggested that those willing to obey the laws be given at least EQUAL chances to participate in a "guest worker" program --- which would not mean that law-breakers are given all the chances and law-abiders are told to go to hell. No one who has committed felony document fraud should become a legal "guest", and the application to the program should be done from their home countries --- we wouldn't want to reward the worst types and punish the best types now would we? And that would mean a law abiding Haitian or Ugandan or Romanian could apply and be given an equal chance to participate. Anything less is racist as hell.
I also suggested that those willing to obey the laws be given at least EQUAL chances to participate in a "guest worker" program --- which would not mean that law-breakers are given all the chances and law-abiders are told to go to hell. No one who has committed felony document fraud should become a legal "guest", and the application to the program should be done from their home countries --- we wouldn't want to reward the worst types and punish the best types now would we? And that would mean a law abiding Haitian or Ugandan or Romanian could apply and be given an equal chance to participate. Anything less is racist as hell.
Once the Delay plan is implentmented the Mexican and U.S. government will setup a joint guest worker office just across the Mexican border.
Illegal aliens from Mexico that are U.S. residents can simply drive across the Mexican border go to the Mexi-American guest worker office and get a fast tracked guest worker visa and drive back in the same day.
The Delay plan must say the illegals have to live in their home country for one full year before they can apply for a guest worker visa.
When did this problem start?
As soon as we ended the Bracero program.
Why didn't Reagan's amnesty work?
Because he failed to follow it up with a guest worker program.
Here's your first reality check...troops will never be posted at the borders to stop Mexicans from entering the country illegally, or at least to the extent that you and others advocate. Part of that is due to the legalities involved, part due to the nightmare logistics behind watching thousands of miles of borders between the US, Mexico, and Canada, as well as the tens of thousands of miles of shoreline, and the biggest reason of all of course being that there would be absolutely no end to the mission; as soon as you pull the troops from the borders, the illegals will cross again.
Troops at the borders solve nothing.
The program will help secure our borders by the mere fact that it will route movement across the border to the legal points of entry leaving less crossers to control; we know from history that given a choice, the guest worker will return home.
Of course I support Prop. 200.
By the way, I favor cutting off ALL welfare entitlements, not just to illegal aliens, but to the native born as well...and no, I believe that if the guest worker is granted a temporary worker's visa, his family should come with him. The spouse should then also be processed.
One last thing...about those millions that Reagan granted amnesty to.
Where are they today?
They are working, their children are in school, and their older sons and daughters are serving in the US military at a rate out of proportion to their representation in society.
Illegal aliens before Reagan's amnesty, hard working Americans after it.
The problem with you guys is that you will continue to bitch until you reduce a working plan to a non-working one.
Wait a year?
Why go home at all then?
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