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Supreme Court or Supremacist Court: The Coming Constitutional Crisis
George Wythe College ^ | 10/19/04 | Oliver DeMille

Posted on 02/09/2005 7:22:26 AM PST by ZGuy

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1 posted on 02/09/2005 7:22:27 AM PST by ZGuy
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To: ZGuy
The will of the majority, past and present, is being rapidly diminished and subverted by self serving lawyers and our judicial system at large.

Who knows what to do about it?

2 posted on 02/09/2005 7:27:20 AM PST by squirt-gun
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To: ZGuy

Re: “…an Imperial Presidency is much worse than Judicial Supremacy. Both are bad government. But monarchy always becomes violent dictatorial tyranny.”

Excuse me but I have a little problem with this. I can think of no monarchy that is guilty of assisting in the murder of 40-50 million children, even the worse of monarchies i.e. Middle Eastern kingdoms. No for true efficiency in the wholesale destruction of their citizens you need a government that “claims” legitimacy from the “people” As Lenin did, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot and yes I hate to say it even our own government. 40-50 million babies willfully murdered, all possible due to the Courts rulings, Congressional funding and Presidential indifference. This crime is to be laid at the feet of both parties and all branches of government.

Just cut the courts budget, force staff reductions and a wage freeze and they will get in line. There will be no problem with an Imperial Presidency or Congressional oligarchy.


3 posted on 02/09/2005 7:46:43 AM PST by Mark in the Old South (Note to GOP "Deliver or perish" Re: Specter I guess the GOP "chooses" to perish)
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To: squirt-gun; ZGuy
Not all lawyers are self-serving opportunists; not all lawyers are liberal; not all lawyers are pro expansion of government anti Constitutional Republic. In fact, probably the philosophical breakdown among lawyers is about the same as for the rest of society.

The Abortion issue specifically should have been resolved by direct reference to the words of the Constitution: "No person shall be deprived of life . . . . without due process of law."

The court did not consider either the law or the factual issue of when personhood commences--had it done so, the result in Roe v. Wade would have been different. And that legal and factual controversy should resolve that narrow question at some specific point in the future.

It is not even necessary to overrule Roe; the facts of the next controversy will be different that those presented in Roe because there will be evidence that the unborn child is a "person" within the meaning of the Constitution.

As to the rest of this nonsense, it is simply rehetoric. The real cause of the constitutional problem is that there is a lag time between the assumption of legislative and executive power by Constitutional Republic political forces and use of that power to implement change in the political direction of the Judiciary.

At present, we are still laboring under the constraint of 62 years of Liberal political power and its use to transform the Judiciary. And transformation of the Judiciary by the legislative and executive branch during the ending years of Liberal management was fairly focused. So it will take us a while to reverse the course of things.

And there is a further problem. The Law education process, like the rest of the education industry, is controlled by liberals who are producing more than a reasonable share of liberal lawyers. The law school from which I graduated, which has dropped from #14 to #76 in some public ratings, is a case in point.

The great commercial, contract, and business law professors who were there when I attended have all been replaced by liberals who are teaching rights of the poor and underprivledged rather than the law. Well and good. The reason their ranking has dropped is because the school can no longer get its graduates decent law practice employment. So maybe that process is self policing also.

At the end of the day, a remedy that essentially repealed the common law legal system by removing resort to precident would probably prove worse than the current political crisis--it isn't going to happen either.

4 posted on 02/09/2005 8:12:30 AM PST by David
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To: ZGuy
1. The meaning of the Phrase "to regulate trade" must be sought in the general use of it, in other words in the objects to which the power was generally understood to be applicable, when the Phrase was inserted in the Constn.

2. The power has been understood and used by all commercial & manufacturing Nations as embracing the object of encouraging manufactures. It is believed that not a single exception can be named.

James Madison to Joseph C. Cabell 18 Sept. 1828Writings 9:316--40

5 posted on 02/09/2005 8:20:30 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Mark in the Old South
I can think of no monarchy that is guilty of assisting in the murder of 40-50 million children, even the worse of monarchies i.e. Middle Eastern kingdoms.

Yes. In fact until we stop have a knee-jerk postive reaction every time we hear the word "democracy", and a knee-jerk negative reaction every time we hear "monarchy", the nanny state, Wilsonian imperialism, and supremacy of the courts will be with us.

The rule of precedent has the virtue of making law somewhat predictable. Repealing it will lead to endless lawmaking and therefore even faster growth of government.

6 posted on 02/09/2005 8:37:49 AM PST by annalex
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To: annalex
The rule of precedent has the virtue of making law somewhat predictable. Repealing it will lead to endless lawmaking and therefore even faster growth of government.

How do you avoid the problem of drifting farther and farther away from the Constitutional basis for laws? Unless there is at least some occasional recurrance to original intent, you can easily end up piling error upon error, which is what we seem to have as a result of each new precedent expanding on the last.

7 posted on 02/09/2005 8:50:00 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: annalex
I have no objection to the rule of precedent, in fact I am fond of it for the very reasons you mention. However the precedent must be based on law and is in fact just or it is just building a castle on quicksand. Eventually it all collapses with great injury and violence to all concerned. It is better the court eat a little crow and move forward on a more sure footing.
8 posted on 02/09/2005 8:53:26 AM PST by Mark in the Old South (Note to GOP "Deliver or perish" Re: Specter I guess the GOP "chooses" to perish)
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To: tacticalogic

The "drifting away from the Constituition" happens because of centralization of politics in Washington. Soon the dogcatchers will be operating on the federal level, and the courts will be tasked to find the jurisprudence of dogcatching in the constitutional penumbras.

The Constitution speaks to the operation of the federal government circa 1800. It is silent on the issues of Social Security, school busing, abortion, school prayer, etc. -- but we want these issues be decided politically and from Washington, so the Supreme Court gets the impossible task to adjudicate what cannot be adjudicated. It is like teaching chemistry out of a textbook on Newton mechanics. We don't have drifting away, we have a ritual of doing constitutional incantations over unrelated subjects.

The crisis of government has to do with overuse of democracy, not with government mechanics.


9 posted on 02/09/2005 9:19:35 AM PST by annalex
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To: Mark in the Old South

The precedents can be overruled. No change in the system is required to overrule an obviously injust precedent. Since the Constitution is silent on most issues the courts are told to apply it, removal of the precedent rule would simply destabilize the process to the point of endless thrashing between extremes.


10 posted on 02/09/2005 9:22:22 AM PST by annalex
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To: annalex
The Constitution speaks to the operation of the federal government circa 1800. It is silent on the issues of Social Security, school busing, abortion, school prayer, etc. -- but we want these issues be decided politically and from Washington, so the Supreme Court gets the impossible task to adjudicate what cannot be adjudicated. It is like teaching chemistry out of a textbook on Newton mechanics. We don't have drifting away, we have a ritual of doing constitutional incantations over unrelated subjects.

From George Washington's Farewell Address:

"If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. The precedent must always greatly overbalance in permanent evil any partial or transient benefit, which the use can at any time yield. "

11 posted on 02/09/2005 9:29:05 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Congressman Billybob


12 posted on 02/09/2005 10:32:57 AM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: ZGuy
2) He can stick with politics, appoint Justices that agree with his politics, and hope they vote his way on Roe v. Wade.

This doesn't fit in with the rest of the piece. He pulls "Roe v. Wade" into the picture out of nowhere. He obviously has an agenda with this piece and I agree with much of it, but it seems as if he's omitting something. There is something strange here.
13 posted on 02/09/2005 12:26:52 PM PST by Blowtorch
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To: ZGuy
This is a highly academic paper from an academic source. Therefore, when I find obvious errors in such a paper, I question the rest of it. And these are mistakes that the Founder of George Wythe College, of all authors, should not make.

FDR did not "use the bully pulpit... to support an amendment" concerning membership in the Court. No amendment was necessary. The Constitution does not specify the number of Justices, and it has been as low as seven and as high as eleven.

This paper states that President Bush took us to war in Iraq without "a declaration of war." To the contrary, Congress has twice declared war, using almost identical language as it did when authorizing President Jefferson to conduct war against the Barbary Pirates.

Concerning the overall constitutional problems facing the nation, the article is generally correct, but far too complicated. The balance is off between the Court and the other two federal branches. The balance is also off between the federal government and the states.

The first problem can be solved by a combination of congressional withdrawals of court jurisdiction. The second problem, however, does require one or more constitutional amendments. Some of those are already in the hopper, but are far removed from active consideration, as yet.

Congressman Billybob

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14 posted on 02/09/2005 1:07:14 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (My tagline is on vacation.)
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To: Blowtorch
There is something strange here.

Agreed. What he is calling "strict constructionism" appears to be "strict textualism".

15 posted on 02/09/2005 1:07:31 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
Thanks for the ping. See my reply at Post #14.

Billybob
16 posted on 02/09/2005 1:10:41 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (My tagline is on vacation.)
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To: kjenerette

...for my class reading. Thanks!


17 posted on 02/09/2005 1:44:11 PM PST by Van Jenerette (Our Republic - If We Can Keep it!)
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18 posted on 02/09/2005 1:48:13 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Mark in the Old South

A common law system like ours tends, overtime, to converge on the "right" answer.

One can always point out particular judicial holdings that seem irrational or unjust but, in my opinion, the law generally corrects itself and yields the desired outcome.


19 posted on 02/09/2005 2:09:57 PM PST by 13foxtrot
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To: ZGuy
The most simple solution to the coming Constitutional Crises is to repeal the cause of Judicial Supremacy and State Decline—the 17th Amendment

I think the Constitutional Crisis is already here. The chances of the 17th Amendment being repealed are slim to none.
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20 posted on 02/09/2005 2:30:16 PM PST by mugs99 (Restore the Constitution)
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