Teresa wouldn't let a dirty terrorist touch the upholstery...
Posted on 02/08/2005 10:48:57 PM PST by ainitfunny
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Yahoo! News News Home - Help AFP CIA renditions of terror suspects are 'out of control:' report
Sun Feb 6, 5:57 PM ET
WASHINGTON (AFP) - The Central Intelligence Agency (news - web sites)'s 'rendition' of suspected terrorists has spiralled 'out of control' according to a former FBI (news - web sites) agent, cited in a report which examined how CIA (news - web sites) detainees are spirited to states suspected of using torture.
Michael Scheuer a former CIA counterterrorism agent told The New Yorker magazine "all we've done is create a nightmare," with regard to the top secret practice of renditions.
In an article titled 'Outsourcing Torture' due to hit newsstands this week, the magazine claims suspects, sometimes picked up by the CIA, are often flown to Egypt, Morocco, Syria and Jordan, "each of which is known to use torture in interrogations."
The report said suspects are given few, if any, legal protections.
Despite US laws that ban America from expelling or extraditing individuals to countries where torture occurs, Scott Horton -- an expert on international law who has examined CIA renditions -- estimates that 150 people have been picked up in the CIA dragnet since 2001.
The New Yorker report said that suspects in Europe, Africa, Asia and the Middle East "have been abducted by hooded or masked American agents" and then sometimes forced onto a white Gulfstream V jet.
The jet -- marked on its tail by the code N379P which has recently been changed to N8068V -- "has been registered to a series of dummy American corporations ... (and) has clearance to land at US military bases," it said.
Maher Arar was arrested in 2002 by US officials at John F. Kennedy airport and then claims he was put on a "executive jet" which flew him to Amman, Jordan, before he was driven to Syria.
Arar says he was tortured in Syria and told his interrogators anything they wanted due to the beatings He was released without charge in 2003 and is suing the US government for his mistreatment.
He claims that the crew onboard the Gulfstream identified themselves as "the Special Removal Unit" during radio communications on his flight to Jordan.
"The most common destinations for rendered suspects are Egypt, Morocco, Syria and Jordan, all of which have been cited for human rights violations by the (US) State Department," the report said.
By holding detainees without counsel or charges of wrongdoing, the administration of US President George W. Bush (news - web sites) "has jeopardized its chances of convicting hundreds of suspected terrorists, or even of using them as witnesses in almost any court in the world," the report said.
The article cited Dan Coleman, an ex Federal Bureau of Investigation counterterrorism expert who retired in July 2003.
Coleman told The New Yorker that torture "has become bureaucratized," by the Bush administration, and that the practice of renditions is "out of control."
Scheuer said there had been a legal process underlying early renditions, but as more suspects were rounded up following the September 11, 2001, attacks, "all we've done is create a nightmare."
Abductees are effectively classified as "illegal enemy combatants," by the US government, which is how it also classifies the estimated 550 'war on terror' detainees held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
Such a classifiction, the US argues, exempts such detainees from the protections of the Geneva Conventions, part of which govern the treatment of prisoners.
The report also cited the former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan, Craig Murray, as saying Washington has accepted intelligence from Uzkbekistan that was "largely rubbish."
[B]The ambassador claims to know of at least three individuals rendered to Uzbekistan by the United States, where cases of the authorities boiling prisoners' body parts have been documented.[/B]
Washington has admitted it is holding some suspects, including top Al-Qaeda operative Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, but it does not say where he is detained.
Mohammed has reportedly been "water boarded" during interrogations: So called 'water boarding' refers to a practice whereby a detainee is bound and immersed in water until he nearly drowns.
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That thought was running through my head as well...
Frankly, I just don't give a damn, what happens to these sonovabitches.........as long as it's nothing good.
I'd like to know why Coleman retired and whether he was pushed into retirement because of his own marginal competence in counter-terrorism. He could be an incompetence Clinton appointee who thought the FBI was a country club.
Post #123 should read "He could be an incompetent Clinton appointee..."
I hope you're right about clandestine activities occurring about which we know nothing. The thought also occurs to me that if we torture them, then kill them and bury them, that would solve the problem. Dead men tell no tales.
I actually guffawed, loudly, when I read your post.
Teresa wouldn't let a dirty terrorist touch the upholstery...
I'm not sure, but I thought O'R had her on because it was on the way to a vote.
We need to be contacting our congressfolk to scuttle this one NOW.
Hey!
How are you, pharmamom?
What do you guys have?
(I'm still catching up)
So tell me"Ain't".
Can you source where it says innocents are being dissapeared by us?
I suppose you'd like it if the Marines stopped and Mirandized the terrorists as they picked them up...
Bill O's guest was Congresswoman Jane Harman, House Intelligence Committee, from California. If I can find the transcript of the show somewhere I will post the data to you on this thread.
Yes, this seems like a case of "someone who doesn't like us said it, so it must be true." And, aint's cap lock key appears to be broken.
You better take a chill pill pal.
Then you can tell your story walkin'. Because I don't buy your BS!
"I suppose it never crossed the writer's mind that this administration is less interested in bringing terrorists before a judge than it is in GETTING THE REQUISITE INFO for finding as many of them as we can, and KILLING THEM."
You get it, the writer of this piece doesn't. We are not rounding up these beings in order to reduce crime. We are rounding them up, because this is WAR.
"Your faulty reasoning is that the more heinous and outrageous the crime that is committed,"
Here is your first mistake. THIS IS NOT ABOUT CRIME, IT IS WAR.
It's very effective and does no permanent damage.
"Humane" torture?
The "no torture" bill going through congress needs to be killed immediately. I personally don't care how we extract information from these terrorist thugs and murderers as long as we are getting results.
"</sick-twisted-humor-that-popped-into-my-head-and-probably-shouldn't-be-posted-on-a-public-forum disclaimer ..."
All I can say is that I got a good chuckle out of it.
"What is being reported is NOT BATTLEFIELD related captures but the kidnapping of citizens off the street IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES ALL OVER THE WORLD. People who may have the same name as some "wanted" suspect or simply have a name that some tortured individual gave his torturer to stop the abuse. They are literally kidnapped on their way to work or shopping etc. and then spirited off to be tortured in another nation without any intervening legal niceties to inquire if they are even the person who was being sought. Like the Salem witchhunters, mere accusal is sufficient."
No that is not who is being captured. Those who are being captured are either: 1. shooting at our guys, or 2. we have much evidence that they are who we are hunting for. Notice that we have captured thousands during this war and only 150 have been sent off to other nations. Also, they are not being captured in their own country, it is their own country that they are being returned to.
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