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U.S. soldiers do not enjoy killing (From the College Front)(Barf Alert)
Badger Herald (U. Wisconsin) ^ | 2/7/05 | Casey Hoff

Posted on 02/08/2005 11:21:51 AM PST by NorCoGOP

MADISON, Wis. -- Pop quiz, hotshot: Who made the following statement last week? "Actually, it's a lot of fun to fight, you know? It's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up front with you. I like brawling."

A. Abu Musab al-Zarkowi

B. Osama Bin Laden

C. Saddam Hussein

D. U.S. Lieutenant General James Mattis

If you guessed D, congratulations. You now understand that one of our U.S. Marines made a comment so outrageous that he is now on par with the worst of the terrorists. General James Mattis said that, "it's fun to shoot some people" and "it's a hell of a hoot" while speaking to a group in San Diego about strategies for the war on terror. General Mattis has commanded troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, but he now has blood on his hands because by making that comment, he immediately put our U.S. troops in more danger. His service in the marines is no longer honorable.

I have a long history of military service in my family, as do millions of other Americans. My uncle ran the Pensacola Marine Base and flew both Presidents Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford. He also served in Vietnam, and in Beirut he flew a helicopter to try and free the Iranian hostages. My grandfather served in World War II in Pearl Harbor at the time of the horrific bombings there. I also have a very good friend who is currently serving in Iraq.

Military service is a priceless asset to the United States of America as our last line of defense against those who want to kill us, and I cannot thank the U.S. military enough for putting their lives at risk in the most heroic of fashions so that we can continue to live peacefully in this wonderful country. But there is one virtue that 99 percent of the military holds dear to this day: They serve their country not because it's a "hoot" or a fun little game to kill people, but because in the absolute last lines of defense, they must kill to protect us. In other words, 99 percent of the military does not enjoy killing.

Lieutenant General James Mattis is not a hero; he is a terrorist. By making that statement, he instantly recruited more terrorists to murder our good men and women serving in Iraq. Like the Abu Ghraib torture situation and the Mi Lai massacre in Vietnam, General Mattis re-emphasized the negative stereotype of the U.S. Marines as "killing machines" and "evil, vindictive murderers." He should be dishonorably discharged from the military immediately.

However, thus far his superior officer General Mike Hagee is defending these indefensible, pseudo-treasonous comments by saying, "While I understand that some people may take issue with the comments made by him, I also know he intended to reflect the unfortunate and harsh realities of war." It is an unfortunate reality to have to kill while we are at war, but it is a complete lie and distortion to insinuate that the majority of our troops enjoy killing.

General Mattis' statements do two extremely dangerous things. No. 1, it will cause the death of more U.S. soldiers, as the Abu Ghraib incident did after it was exploited and played countless times on Al-Jazeera television. No. 2, it adds fuel to the fire for a small sector of the Sandonista-left in this country that see the United States military as an evil institution with evil people in it that love to kill. A caller on my radio show re-emphasized this ridiculous position on Friday, when he called the U.S. military a bunch of "killing machines" who enjoy murdering people. The other ridiculous sentiment comes from the crypto-fascist, Kool-Aid-drinking, Sean Hannity right, who believe that we can say and do whatever we want to others because we are the U.S.A., and we are a superpower.

The people with this opinion are also fools. If we claim to have the "moral high-ground" over the terrorists, then we have to act that way. We can't avoid the Geneva Conventions like these same people wanted to do with Abu Ghraib, and we can't have people in the military who say to the whole world that they get some sort of sick pleasure out of killing others.

What General James Mattis did when he said "It's fun to shoot some people" is beyond my comprehension. If you defend his statements, then you must realize you are spitting in the face of every single person in the United States military and every single veteran. Mattis is not a hero, but a terrorist and an inhumane piece of human debris. He is a Benedict Arnold in our effort to fight terrorism and is a disgrace to this country. We must do everything we can to keep the General James Mattises of this world out of the conceptual image of the U.S. military and this great country.


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To: NorCoGOP
You now understand that one of our U.S. Marines made a comment so outrageous that he is now on par with the worst of the terrorists.

I assume that most readers of this site are aware enough and have a sense od proportion and common sense to see clearly that this is Casey Hoff's opinion, for whatever it's worth.

In my case it's worth zero or less, since it was gratuitously worded to serve his own purposes.

Taking any known terrorist at random, defined by what they do, not by what they say, and the whole cheap posturing disintegrates before our eyes.

61 posted on 02/08/2005 1:10:57 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: DTogo

Most definately AGREE. Would not want to be in Indian country when S___ hits the fan alongside anyone who does NOT
believe as does Mr.Mattis. While I am reluctant to borrow the term Semper Fi from the Marines. Mr.Mattis deserves
all accolades the unwashed will Never understand.I get P'd
when I see reasonable comments taken out of context by the
America Haters for th esole purpose of demoralizing and
destructive impact on our fighting men.


62 posted on 02/08/2005 1:11:53 PM PST by StonyBurk
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To: Dominick

Liberals always like to cite family members who have served in the military - as if to gain respect and credibility by proxy to cover up their hate-America actions.


63 posted on 02/08/2005 1:15:08 PM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: Publius6961

We have had deserters and the like throughout history in our military but even if the MSM can find current or former military to make hay, it would never reflect the true honor and dignity bestowed upon and deserved by our armed forces. I think the more the liberals try to use this tactic the more it works to our advantage. Just look what this election has done for Vietnam Veterans that once were spat on returning from service. This is not the 60's and I see no hippies so let them keep it up, it serves us well. Iraq and Afghanistan will go down as major victories and turning points in history. Historians will look well upon the soldiers and the president.


64 posted on 02/08/2005 1:20:35 PM PST by TheForceOfOne (Social Security – I thought pyramid schemes were illegal!)
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To: NorCoGOP; aculeus; general_re; BlueLancer; Poohbah; hellinahandcart; Constitution Day; All
Mattis is not a hero, but a terrorist and an inhumane piece of human debris. He is a Benedict Arnold in our effort to fight terrorism and is a disgrace to this country.

Can't find words suitable for this punk.

65 posted on 02/08/2005 1:25:16 PM PST by dighton
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To: zkbeta51
There are Marines on the base, but that doesn't make it a Marine Base. Apparently, many of us know that, but "Kay-thee" doesn't. He's about as well informed as we can expect him to be, I guess. Goofball liberal.

We vacationed at Perdido Key last summer and went on base to see the Naval Air Museum, which was outstanding. How'd the base and museum stand up to the hurricanes that came through last year?

66 posted on 02/08/2005 1:28:05 PM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: TN4Bush
"How credible can you be if you don't even really know where your Uncle served?"

Not very, apparently.

67 posted on 02/08/2005 1:29:50 PM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: texan75010
"Anyone who does not enjoy the thought of killing people who rape women and children, routinely cut off body parts including heads, and torture their own is in need of psychiatric help!"

Sounds like your talking about John F'n Kerry's "Jing-giss Khan".

68 posted on 02/08/2005 1:32:55 PM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: NorCoGOP

Poor casey. No one loves him. He has to fall in with the losers/America haters to have someone to talk to. It must be a lonely life.


69 posted on 02/08/2005 1:42:17 PM PST by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 48% of Americans)
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To: TheForceOfOne

You have articulated the failure of socialism and the promise of capitalism very well. And you've motivated me to admire you for it.

: )


70 posted on 02/08/2005 1:44:39 PM PST by ariamne (reformed liberal-Shieldmaiden of the Infidel)
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To: gopwinsin04; Mrs Zip; BOBWADE
And so the campaign against our troops begins continues..
71 posted on 02/08/2005 1:47:38 PM PST by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 48% of Americans)
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To: NorCoGOP

Stuffy, stilted, arrogant, self-righteous and puerile blatherings of those who take upon themselves the mantle of moral and intellectual superiority... gimmeabreak!

Go, General! Salute from the sidelines.


72 posted on 02/08/2005 1:49:23 PM PST by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops.)
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To: Kleon
Any soldier who enjoys killing needs some serious psychiatric help.

Very poor generalization, very poor. I am sure that you NEVER served in theater and seen buddies killed, innocent civilians murdered by commies otherwise you would not,could not, make that comment. So sit in your hot tub, spewing leftist, anti American bs and enjoy your freedom to do so. It was earned by our soldiers for you even though you don't deserve it.

73 posted on 02/08/2005 1:55:53 PM PST by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 48% of Americans)
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To: Modernman

Lighten up. This was tongue-in-cheek, for effect only.


74 posted on 02/08/2005 1:59:04 PM PST by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 48% of Americans)
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To: texan75010

Thank you for expressing my thoughts exactly.


75 posted on 02/08/2005 2:00:03 PM PST by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 48% of Americans)
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To: zip

Read his response in post 49 and tell me what you think.


76 posted on 02/08/2005 2:00:57 PM PST by Modernman (What is moral is what you feel good after. - Ernest Hemingway)
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To: NorCoGOP
My uncle ran the Pensacola Marine Base and flew both Presidents Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford. He also served in Vietnam, and in Beirut he flew a helicopter to try and free the Iranian hostages. My grandfather served in World War II in Pearl Harbor at the time of the horrific bombings there. I also have a very good friend who is currently serving in Iraq.

I AM CALLING YOU A LIAR. CARE TO RESPOND?

77 posted on 02/08/2005 2:02:40 PM PST by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 48% of Americans)
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To: NorCoGOP

Personally, I don't want a military that doesn't enjoy doing their job and doing it well. Killing isn't something to be relished, unless it's killing the bad guys who behead, blow up innocent people and threatening my country. I don't want our troops to come home feeling guilty for doing their job.


78 posted on 02/08/2005 2:03:12 PM PST by TexasTaysor
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To: NorCoGOP

What is a crypto-fascist?


79 posted on 02/08/2005 2:04:35 PM PST by johnb838 (Evolution is Paganizm.)
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To: Modernman
Disagreeing with the WOT

He didn't say disagreeing with the WOT, he said GIVING AID AND COMFORT TO THE ENEMY and that is exactly what they are doing.

Don't misquote or misrepresent something just because you're a pacifist.

80 posted on 02/08/2005 2:06:30 PM PST by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 48% of Americans)
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