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Army wants an upgrade with its Humvee trade-in
Orange County Register ^ | Tuesday, February 8, 2005o | The New York Times

Posted on 02/08/2005 6:41:10 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Current model is out of date for today's warfare. The new transport will be more drivable, efficient.

The Humvee is not cutting it.

Designed for a different era and a different kind of war, the military's beleaguered flagship truck is starting to look like the Edsel of Iraq.

Much of the problem was lack of foresight. The Humvee comes in an armored version, but military leaders initially saw little need for it, and the Bush administration did not bet on a prolonged insurgency in Iraq.

Now that roadside bombs have become a weapon of choice, every Humvee rolling off the line at AM General, the Indiana-based maker, is the more rugged kind.

(Excerpt) Read more at ocregister.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Technical; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: humvee; miltech
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1 posted on 02/08/2005 6:41:12 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Sell the old ones to the public.


2 posted on 02/08/2005 6:42:06 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity--Robert Heinlein)
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To: TXBSAFH

The old Hummers are not road ready--- and the "public" only wants nice shiny ones with air-conditioning and 6 speaker stereos--- unlike the first Jeeps that were sold and used on the roads, which were actual military vehicles.


3 posted on 02/08/2005 6:44:35 AM PST by MTD
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To: TXBSAFH

That would depress the Hummer market even more..


4 posted on 02/08/2005 6:45:08 AM PST by ken5050
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To: TXBSAFH

I personally do not think they should make all the new Humvees armoured....they are slow..underpowered...and they really are not a front line vehicle....and they still can be destroyed...


5 posted on 02/08/2005 6:46:29 AM PST by Youngman442002
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To: MTD

I would take one in heart beat. New hunting truck.


6 posted on 02/08/2005 6:46:59 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity--Robert Heinlein)
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To: MTD

Yeah, but they are ranch and farm ready.

I have two, and my hands use them every day on areas I used to only get to on horseback.

The non-DOT approved versions are cheap --- compared to an F350, for example, run on "orange" diesel (farm diesel, low grade) and nearly indestructible.


7 posted on 02/08/2005 6:47:43 AM PST by MeanWestTexan
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To: MTD

I would like a real humvee. The H2 girly cars are really just a GMC pickup chassis with some goofy bodywork that are a real bitch to park.


8 posted on 02/08/2005 6:50:55 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Prepare for Fierce Allegiance day, Feb 9th.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Yeah they do sell off some of the old ones at Ft. Hood every now and again.


9 posted on 02/08/2005 6:51:11 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity--Robert Heinlein)
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To: Youngman442002

add a supercharger and a suspension upgrade.
off roaders have done it for years.


10 posted on 02/08/2005 6:51:53 AM PST by Rakkasan1 (john f'n kerry-the original 'million dollar baby'.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Right, farms, construction sites, all very good uses, but limited... and certainly not for the average consumer.


11 posted on 02/08/2005 6:56:53 AM PST by MTD
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To: Fierce Allegiance

One of my dad's friends buys them at auction and re-sells them. (both military HMMWV's and 1-ton Chevy trucks)

I drove his Hummer back on my grandparents' farm last year. It is truly Bad A$$.


12 posted on 02/08/2005 6:58:30 AM PST by Constitution Day (Fire Herb Sendek!)
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To: Constitution Day

ping for later


13 posted on 02/08/2005 7:01:06 AM PST by Tailback
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To: TXBSAFH

I got mine at Ft. Bliss (El Paso).

Both had new diesel engines and transmissions and never seen hard labor. All I've ever done for 6 years of hard abuse is add gas and change the oil.


14 posted on 02/08/2005 7:07:17 AM PST by MeanWestTexan
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To: Constitution Day

How much does a base model in decent used condition run, typically?


15 posted on 02/08/2005 7:08:18 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Prepare for Fierce Allegiance day, Feb 9th.)
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To: TXBSAFH

You might have a look at this guy:

http://www.coldwarremarketing.com/

Click "vehicles" at the top and see what he has. Mostly Pinzaguers, but a few humvees pop up now and again. Personally, I have my eye on that tank destroyer...


16 posted on 02/08/2005 7:11:29 AM PST by Gefreiter (When seconds count, the police are minutes away.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I don't know how to say this loudly enough...

THE HUMVEE WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE A FRONT LINE VEHICLE!!!!!! IT IS A SUPPORT/LOGISTICS VEHICLE, FOR REMFs TO RIDE AROUND IN DELIVERING STUFF AND FOLKS TO WHERE THEY ARE NEEDED!!! THE UP-ARMORED VERSION WAS AN AFTERTHOUGHT FOR RUNNING AMMO TO THE FRONT....QUICKLY!!!!

THE MILITARY DIDN'T SCREW UP, IT SIMPLY WENT TO WAR WITH THEIR CURRENT EQUIPMENT AND TACTICS. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE WERE ENGAGED IN A LONG TERM MOUT OPERATION? WWII COMES TO MIND.

OUR MEN ARE WINNING. DON'T LET THE LSM OR THE WHINERS IN DOD (WHO MOST DEFINITELY SMELL FRESH VEHICLE CONTRACTS AND NO APPROPRIATIONS BALKING) KNOCK US OFF TRACK. OUR MEN ARE WINNING. MORE DEAD BADGUYS FOR EACH OR OUR HONORED DEAD.



/rant, sorry about that.

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18 posted on 02/08/2005 7:16:18 AM PST by petro45acp (Democrat = socialist. Say it loud, say it often, and VOTE!!)
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To: petro45acp

I bet they would be great at those Washington Protests for Gay Pride and Abortion. Put a cattle catcher on it and Weeeeeeeeeee..... Bowling for Bolsheviks.


19 posted on 02/08/2005 7:22:51 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (60 votes and the world changes.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

how cheap?


20 posted on 02/08/2005 7:25:48 AM PST by Les_Miserables
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