Posted on 02/07/2005 9:21:47 AM PST by FreeKeys
It seems likely that Social Security reform will be Topic A for the next year or so, especially if Iraq's progress toward forming a permanent government goes well. But it also seems as though the fate of our retirement funds causes almost as much apprehension as the future of Baghdad.
So in the spirit of calming fears on the Social Security front, let's examine a scare story making the rounds. It is the claim that history all but proves attempting to save enough for a comfortable retirement will be impossible.
Princeton University economist and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman has become a sort of lead alarmist against Social Security savings. He recently claimed the growth of invested wealth won't amount to more than about half as much as needed, an estimated 6.5 percent a year.
But his own assumed numbers are: 3 percent annual growth in dividends reinvested and earnings growth equal to the growth of the economy, which historically has been 3.4 percent.
That adds up to 6.4 percent. Close enough, says frequent Krugman critic and investment researcher Donald Luskin. In fact, 6.5 percent adjusted for inflation is the annual growth rate in securities values over the last 75 years, which includes the Great Depression.
But Krugman is not so easily discredited. He also claims that if the 6 percent-plus return on securities investments were to happen, Social Security payroll deductions would increase so much that the retirement system would remain solvent, without what so many call "risky investment schemes."
So, either way, there's no reason to change Social Security, he calculates.
But Krugman apparently neglects to note that benefits owed would soar, too, because our monthly payments would be indexed, or tied to, wage growth nationally. It simply makes sense to recognize that investing some of what we pay would bring us more money in the end than not investing.
The boogeyman vision of millions of us picking bad stocks and shaky bonds wouldn't show up because there is no way Congress or any president would allow investments to be made without tight restrictions. And if all securities declined over a long period, the state of our savings would be the least of our problems.
As noted here before, it makes sense to invest some of our income through Social Security whether the system will collapse anytime soon or not. Why perpetuate what is at best a "dollar-in, dollar-out" proposition, much like putting your money into a shoebox under the bed?
Then there is the obvious benefit of steering trillions of dollars into the economy, something that inevitably creates additional wealth and higher securities values through the decades.
It was noted in this space Friday that the high saving habit of the Japanese has helped boost that economy through the years. By contrast, we're pitifully poor savers.
One last voice to be heard from here is that of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, speaking at the White House in 1935:
"... Any Social Security plan should include voluntary contributory annuities, by which individual initiative can increase the annual amount received in old age. ... Government funding ought to be ultimately supplanted by self-supporting annuity plans."
FDR didn't get his way then.
Maybe now, at last.
No, I said that wrong. The official DemocRAT party line is that only HIGHER PAYROLL TAXES are needed to save the old system. They're ambivalent about private accounts, so long as they're added to, not instead of, any part of the old Ponzi Scheme.
Good post, thanks. I hope this idea passes Congress THIS YEAR. It's clearly too late for my husband and me to benefit, but it would mean a lot to our grown children and growing grandchildren.
BTW, don't Congresscritters have a retirement plan like this? Don't government employees?
The best S.S. reform is to kill it. 100% ALL of it.
Opponents often claim when the stock market falls it will hurt those with partial privatized accounts. Of course they leave the word "partial" out because they are dishonest. With the onset of the Clinton recession the overall value of my mutual funds were down because the stock prices were down. The share price was down, I was buying all through the Clinton recession and getting many more shares for my investment.
When the economy and stock market recovered during the Bush recovery the share price went up and I had many more shares so the value of my mutual funds were greatly enhanced. During the good times I am payed divedends which go to purchase more shares.
Someone should point this out to the naysayers, if the stock market goes down it's good for the investor buying in. The retirement account will allow only a certain amount to of shares to be sold at a time, like any other retirement account. There can be no wholesale selling off, hence a huge loss. It's a win, win unless you again get the liberals back in power attacking the producers, innovators and achievers.
Okay, finish your thought. Kill SS and replace it with what? Or is this a "nuke 'em all" statement?
Yep, it's all right here: http://www.tsp.gov/
I fear that it won't happen anytime soon.
The Dem's are starting to demagogue the heck out of the idea and scared mid term candidates on the republican side will not back the president.
It is the way of things.
On the bright side, social security is the easiest of all mandated social programs to fix. Unfortunately, it is probably the smallest and least damaging of the load of bricks hat we will run smack into by 2018.
The financial cliff that we will be falling off at that time will dwarf the SS problems.
I expect a two or three dollar fuel tax to cover this mess and the economy will crater if they do not address this looming crisis and phase these fixes in with some real creative reforms.
The first thing I think needs to be done is to take social security and Medicare off budget so that excess monies in these programs are not spent by the general budget and are invested for future expected outlays.
The personal accounts are one way that we can achieve this constitutionally.
Good points.
"[W]ouldn't it be cool if some maverick congressman, say Tom Coburn just elected from Oklahoma, proposed a bill to kill the Thrift Savings Plan that federal government workers have, say because it violates the equal protection clause of the Constitution, or else because it's absolutely hypocritical? Here's an idea -- if/when a final bill to offer something like that for non-government workers comes to a vote, adduce a rider to that effect. Consider it a poison pill. So, the failure to pass this needed legislation would at once kill the TSP. Maybe self-interest would rule.
James Crystal
Bingo. The way to do it is the question.
Quotes of Democrats supporting private accounts and/or higher returns on SS:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1337778/posts?page=3#3
"... Any Social Security plan should include voluntary contributory annuities, by which individual initiative can increase the annual amount received in old age. ... Government funding ought to be ultimately supplanted by self-supporting annuity plans."
FDR didn't get his way then.
This needs repeating often. SS was never intended, by FDR, to last.
Most of these articles, even the positive ones, fail to consider compounding. That makes the privitization picture much brighter.
You might enjoy this: http://FreedomKeys.com/gummint.htm#g=sfallacy
As Dick Armey recently quipped to Paul Krugman on a recent television debate: let's see Krugman's investment portfolio and determine if he has his own 401Ks and investments in the "risky" stock market. There is no doubt that he does, yet it is "too risky" for the regular schmuck.
He never did answer Armey's question, by the way. He only said "I have done rather well."
A classic case of "do as I say, not as I do" by Krugman and the other hypocritical socialists.
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