Posted on 02/07/2005 8:07:52 AM PST by doug from upland
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Time, time, time, sign the 180 Form
It won't go away...can you feel the firestorm
John, you know it's the norm
Sit right down, take a pen, fill it out
Time to do it, Winter Soldier
We heard your Band of Brothers crap
Most men with whom you served know you got things you don't deserve
They won't be your saps...you can't control this flap
Sit right down, take a pen, fill it out
Time to do it, Winter Soldier
Your hopes, John, are going down
SwiftVets wouldn't sing your song...what they had said had not been wrong
Get out of town...don't count on Ted, you will drown
Sit right down, and take a pen, just fill it out
Time to do it, once and for all
John, was your discharge as it appears
Are there things that are still unclear
Will they come back to bite your rear
No more Band of Brothers crap
'Cause most men with whom you served know you got things you don't deserve
They won't be your saps...you can't control this flap
Sit right down, take a pen, fill it out
Time to do it, Winter Soldier
Sit right down, take a pen, fill it out
With no more delay
Sit right down, take a pen, fill it out
With no more delay
Sit right down, take a pen, fill it out
With no more delay
What I'd like to see is the Swift Boat Vets hold a press conference waving their signed 180 forms in front of cameras. Kerry said that if they signed, he would too. He won't, unless someone can cook up some "clean" military records for him. I think he was dishonorably discharged, or has something equally damaging on his original records. What I fail to understand is why he is allowed to get away with it.
Go Swifties!
He will get away with it until this is reported on the nightly news or on the Wash Post.
Sure... he's hid himself in the Senate for 20. No member of the MSM will ask for it either.
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January 30, 2005
Kerry's 180
No, this is not a flashback. The guy continues to serve in public office and I continue to watch him. He was on Meet the Press on January 30th and Tim Russert asked him about his not signing Standard Form 180. If you will remember, I wrote about this here, here, here and here. He lied and said that he had personally released all his information but he never signed the Form 180 which would allow people to get the documents themselves. The Department of Defence said repeatedly that they had about 100 pages of documents that they could not release until Kerry signed the Form 180.
The growing suspicion was that John Forbes Kerry received a less-than-honorable discharge from the Navy. This article sums it up nicely:
My suspicion along with a growing number of military personnel is that Kerry received an other than honorable discharge in the early 1970s as a consequence of his vehement anti-US, anti-military activities with the Vietnam Veterans Against the War and his potentially treasonous tête-à-têtes with North Vietnamese Communist officials in Paris.
And this one is interesting too:
I [DONALD L. NELSON, CAPT, JAGC, USNR] was on active duty as a U.S. Navy lawyer when all of this was going on some 25 to 30 years ago, and so was Mark F. Sullivan, who at all relevant times was the personal lawyer to J. William Middendorf, then the Secretary of the Navy. We remember.
We are trying to break this absolutely true story nationwide, i.e., Fox News, C Span, and hopefully all the major networks. We are positive that John Kerry was one of those dishonorably dismissed from the Navy for collaborating with the Viet Cong, after he was released from active duty but still in the Navy, and for a totally unauthorized trip to Hanoi. He later got an honorable separation in 1978, some 12 years after joining the Navy, under President Carters Amnesty Program for draft dodgers, deserters, and other malcontents who fled to Canada and Holland, among other places, to avoid military service to our country.
This is why he has refused, and continues to refuse, to release all of his Navy records: they reflect that he was Dishonorably Dismissed from the United States Naval Service. If they do not (which they do), he would have released them to the public. Again, he has not done so, because he well knows that the truth would kill his challenge to President Bush.
The emphasis is mine in both cases. These two comments go to show that there is credible evidence that Kerry was less than honorably discharged, got his record sanitized by Carter and will not allow the original discharge to become known to the general public as it would be toxic to his career
Here is the transcript of the Meet the Press interview where Tim Russert talks with John Kerry specifically about his signing the Form 180:
MR. RUSSERT: Many people whove been criticizing you have said: Senator, if you would just do one thing and that is sign Form 180, which would allow historians and journalists complete access to all your military records. Thus far, you have gotten the records, released them through your campaign. They say you should not be the filter. Sign Form 180 and let the historians
SEN. KERRY: Id be happy to put the records out. We put all the records out that I had been sent by the military. Then at the last moment, they sent some more stuff, which had some things that werent even relevant to the record. So when we getIm going to sit down with them and make sure that they are clear and I am clear as to what is in the record and what isnt in the record and well put it out. I have no problem with that.
MR. RUSSERT: Would you sign Form 180?
SEN. KERRY: But everything, Tim
MR. RUSSERT: Would you sign Form 180?
SEN. KERRY: Yes, I will. But everything that we put in it, Timeverything we put inI mean, everything that was out was a full documentation of all of the medical records, all of the fitness reports. And Id call on those who have challenged me, lets see their records. I want to see the records of each of those people who have put up a challenge, because some of them have some serious questions in them, and it hasnt been appropriate
MR. RUSSERT: So they should sign Form 180s for themselves as well?
SEN. KERRY: You bet.
So he will only sign his 180 after anyone who wants to see his records signs theirs?
I will be surprised if he is in any kind of public office after his senatorial term runs out and that clock is ticking
Posted by Dave Halliday at January 30, 2005 07:56 PM | TrackBack
You've been here too long to believe he'll sign that form.
Well the MSM won't touch it, so let's see if FNC will raise the issue...otherwise Kerry will slither out of it.
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