Do The Math On Dubya's Social Security Reform

San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 2/7/5 | Harley Sorensen

[SmithL]

As the lawyers like to say, "Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus." The rest of us have to settle for "once a liar, always a liar."

We tend not to believe people who have previously lied to us, even if one of those people is the president of the United States.

President George W. Bush clearly lied to us about the need to start a war against the people of Iraq, so why should we believe him now as he barnstorms the country in an attempt to sell us on his Social Security "reform" plan?

("Reform"? That's funny. It's more like deform. Always be leery of a politician who says he's going to "reform" something.)

[SmithL]

The Comicle's OTHER morfordite has his panties in a bunch, again (or is that still?).

[Tarpaulin]

still.

[pookie18]

Back in an era where Senators and Representatives listened to proposals
before opposing them, these Democrats endorsed the idea of personal
accounts. Here are their own words.

Senators: Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV): "[M]ost Of Us Have No Problem With Taking
A Small Amount Of The Social Security Proceeds And Putting It Into The
Private Sector." (Fox's "Fox News Sunday," 2/14/99)

Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) Press Release: "Durbin Said Due To The Increasing
Number Of 'Baby Boomers' Reaching Retirement Age, Social Security Will Be
Unable To Pay Out Full Benefits . But The Sooner Congress Acts To Avert This
Crisis The Easier And Less Painful It Will Be." (Sen. Dick Durbin,
"Reforming Social Security," Press Release, 9/15/98)

Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-ND): "Fixing Social Security Is An Urgent Priority. It
Ought To Be At The Top Of Both Parties' Agendas." (Sen. Byron Dorgan,
"Fixing Social Security Must Top Both Parties' Agendas," Roll Call, 12/6/99)

Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-ND): "The Potential [Social Security] Crisis Should Be
Viewed As An Enormous Success, Because It Means That We Are Living Longer
And Healthier Lives." (Betty Mills, Op-Ed, "What Would You Do About Social
Security?" Bismarck Tribune, 8/5/98)

Sen. Kent Conrad (D-ND): "I Was At The Social Security Summit At The White
House, Along With 40 Of My Colleagues, Republicans And Democrats. And There
Was Virtual Unanimity Of Opinion That We Simply Have To Get A Higher Return
From The Social Security Investments." (Fox News' "Special Report," 1/20/99)

House Members: Rep. Sander Levin (D-MI): "People Can See, I Think, A [Social
Security] Crisis Where There Immediate Family Is Affected Even If Not
Immediately . This Is Something That Affects Almost Everybody's Immediate
Family." (Richard A. Ryan, "Social Security Reform Stalls," The Detroit
News, 2/2/02)

Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY): "I Am One Democrat That Truly Believes That
Democrats Will Not Benefit By Doing Nothing On Social Security." (Rep.
Charles Rangel, Press Conference, 1/21/99)

Rep. Edward J. Markey (D-MA): "I Am An Advocate For Investing A Portion Of
The Surplus In The Private Sector ." (Rep. Edward J. Markey, Committee On
Commerce, U.S. House Of Representatives, Testimony, 2/25/99)

Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY): "[I]t's A Way Of Getting More Money - A Higher
Return On The Trust Fund, And Is A Prudent And Good Thing To Do." (Rep.
Jerrold Nadler, Press Conference, 1/21/99)

Former Rep. Dick Gephardt (D-MO): "Why Should Social Security Recipients Be
Disadvantaged By Not Getting To Be Able To Have Higher Returns Out Of The
Stock Market?" (Rep. Dick Gephardt, Press Conference, 1/21/99)

Clinton: President Clinton: "[Investing] Will Earn A Higher Return And Keep
Social Security Sound For 55 Years." (President Bill Clinton, State Of The
Union, 1/19/99)

President Clinton: "[W]hat I Believe We Should Do Is To Invest A Modest
Amount Of This In The Private Sector, The Way Every Other Retirement Plan
Does. The Arizona State Retirement Plan Does; Every Municipal Retirement
Plan Does; Every Private Plan Does." (President Bill Clinton, Remarks To The
Citizens Of Tucson On Medicare And Social Security, Tucson, AZ, 2/25/99)

President Clinton: "[E]ven After You Take Account Of The Stock Market Going
Down And Maybe Staying Down For A Few Years, Shouldn't We Consider Investing
Some Of This Money, Because, Otherwise, We'll Have To Either Cut Benefits Or
Raise Taxes To Cover Them, If We Can't Raise The Rate Of Return." (President
Bill Clinton, Remarks Via Satellite To The Regional Congressional Social
Security Forums, Albuquerque, NM, 7/27/98)

Clinton urges voters to save Social Security

WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, October 24) -- Fresh from his diplomatic success in
brokering an interim peace accord between Israelis and Palestinians,
President Bill Clinton on Saturday turned back to domestic issues and called
for voter support of his proposed Social Security reforms.

Speaking in his weekly radio address, the president urged Americans to
consider his efforts to save Social Security when they vote on November 3 in
what he called "one of the most important elections in recent years."

"You will help select a Congress that will determine whether we will seize
this moment of prosperity to save Social Security for the 21st century,"
Clinton said.

With Republican hopes of widening their majority in the House and the
outside chance the elections could produce a filibuster-proof Senate for the
GOP, the president warned that a "historic opportunity will be lost" if both
parties don't reach agreement on Social Security reform.

He said the White House would hold a conference on Social Security December
8 and 9 to help mold a bipartisan approach to saving the federally directed
retirement safety net.

Clinton proposed five "core principles" to shape discussions at that
meeting. They are:


a.. strengthening and protecting the system


b.. maintaining fairness


c.. ensuring stable benefits


d.. protecting disabled and low-income wage earners


e.. maintaining fiscal discipline in the program

"For more than 60 years now, Social Security has formed the sacred bond
between the generations," Clinton said. "If the Congress you elect in 10
days chooses progress, it can strengthen that shield for generations to
come."

In his opening remarks, the president praised the Mideast peace agreement,
saying it "strengthens security, increases cooperation against terrorism,
and brings both sides closer to the day when they can live together as free
people."

For the accord to produce a lasting peace, the Israelis and Palestinians
must stand by it, despite pressure, Clinton said.

"But this agreement shows what is possible when the will for peace is
strong," he said.


http://edition.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/10/24/clinton.radio/


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[Flyer]

Do The Math On Dubya's Social Security Reform

Do The Math On Dubya's the President's Social Security Reform

Sigh. . . lefties!

[mlc9852]

Who cares what anyone in San Francisco thinks about anything? And where was the criticism when Clinton told the country something had to be done to save Social Security?

[Piquaboy]

Even FDR who came up with this ponzi scheme wanted to have some of the money put in private accounts. That part has been convienently forgotten by the Rats and MSM.

[tsmith130]

That's a post to bookmark. Thanks!

[An Old Marine]

The facts of this article are false. Either once again someone on the left didn't do their home work or else (more likely) its more out and out lying.

[Christian4Bush]

Encyclopaedia BUMP

Score another pajama fact check!

[pookie18]

Thanks...it was easy to get as I'd just sent it to some libs on a Usenet newsgroup...originally picked it up from a few threads here.

[AaronInCarolina]

President George W. Bush clearly lied to us about the need to start a war against the people of Iraq, so why should we believe him now as he barnstorms the country in an attempt to sell us on his Social Security "reform" plan?

I really appreciate when idiot leftists reveal their insanity early on in the article so that I don't have to read very far to know when to stop wasting my time!

[mlc9852]

Good work. Great post. Thanks.

[G.Mason]

Harley Sorensen needs some oxygen. That stuff he's using is making him see Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds. ;)

Newspaper taxis appear on the shore
Waiting to take you away
Climb in the back with your head in the clouds
And you're gone.

[Publius6961]

We tend not to believe people who have previously lied to us, even if one of those people is the president of the United States, a Senator or a Representative.

There.
I fixed it.

[Drango]

Harley Sorensen is to the left of Saddam Hussein.

[Publius6961]

Who cares what anyone in San Francisco thinks about anything? And where was the criticism when Clinton told the country something had to be done to save Social Security?

They wanna talk about Falsus in omnibus..."?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

[bgnn32]

"President George W. Bush clearly lied to us about the need to start a war against the people of Iraq"

There is too much wrong with that statement to list but some of the major problems with that simple sentance:
1. The war was agianst Sadam and his government, not the people of Iraq

2. The president did not lie about the reasons to go to war. WMD's (which I personally still believe the intellegence reports, and feel the weapons are in Syra) were only one of several reasons to go to war, and the president was using intellegance reports to support the WMD claim.

These lefties are really starting to piss me off, thank God free repulic exsists so I can get some sanity.

[brothers4thID]

I love sticking it to politicians with the words right out of their own mouths.

[EQAndyBuzz]

Before I go screaming on the RAT boards about this, what was said by Republican Senators and Congressmen about this?

[CIDKauf]

Anyone using the term "Dubya" is certainly a bitter loser and will be that way until Democrats lose again in '08 for this reason. Unless you were on some other planet, you would know that the CIA, Israeli Intel, French, Britain, Germans, and just about everybody believes that Saddam had and disposed of weapons of mass destruction. Our 18 month "rush to war" is exactly why Saddam had plenty of time to rid his country of WMD, (a year and a half????) however, anyone that doesn't understand that they exist and are in Syria probably, or Iran or buried (he buried everything else, money, trucks, jets, dead people,himself). We do know that the 500,000 dead bodies we found in the 280 mass graves certainly were killed using chemical and biological weapons. The only thing dumber than not seeing this is the Democrats that continously spew this same old crap. Get a life....maybe move to SF and you can all be bitter together.