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Harold Evans talks about his new book, They Made America -- and why Bill Gates isn't in it
businessweek ^ | OCTOBER 25, 2004 | Harold Evans

Posted on 02/06/2005 8:58:39 PM PST by Abcdefg

Q: Why did you pick Gary Kildall rather than Bill Gates? A: Gary Kildall is an innovator. Bill Gates is an absolutely brilliant businessman, but he's not an innovator. The first part of Gates's fortune is based on capitalizing on the invention belonging to Gary Kildall. Also, I didn't want to tell stories people already knew. Bill Gates's story is well known. I wanted to tell stories of some people whose contributions had been forgotten. That was Gary Kildall. He's the father of the software industry.

Also, I was attracted to people as democratizers. A lot of them didn't do it for money. They were driven by other considerations. Gary had such an idealistic vision of what computers could do, and he didn't want to become a monopolist.

Q: In your short sidebar in the book about Gates, you say he never invented anything important. Hasn't he made important contributions to the tech industry? A: A lot of people would argue that because his system was put into the PC, we had to endure a decade of crashes. We wouldn't have had to deal with that if Kildall's innovation hadn't been appropriated. Also, I don't like monopolies.

He's the richest man in the world, a brilliant business guy, and ruthless. But at the end of the day, these other people made more significant contributions.

Q: What do you hope to accomplish with your Kildall chapter? A: I wanted to set the record right, the history right. I hated the fact that lies were told about what happened on the day that IBM visited and he supposedly went flying. I want to encourage people to innovate, to go into it. But it's not much fun if you aren't recognized and others take it from you.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Technical
KEYWORDS: bookreview; microsoft; theymadeamerica
I saw Harold Evans on CSpan2 (Booknotes) tonight talking about his book. I thought it interesting he debunked the story of Kildall snubbing IBM execs. Evans said IBM betrayed Kildall by selling his OS for $240 and Gates' for $40.
1 posted on 02/06/2005 8:58:39 PM PST by Abcdefg
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To: Abcdefg

Harold Evans is a jerk. Like him or not, Bill Gates changed the world. There are plenty of brilliant software developers, but having an idea is only half the battle. You have to put the idea into practice. You have to sell it, if you like.

A lot of the most basic computer software ideas were developed by Xerox. But Xerox apparently never understood their value and never did anything with them. They would still be historical curiosities if people like Gates hadn't taken them and run with them.


2 posted on 02/06/2005 9:19:15 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

Bill Gates' mom got him into IBM. The BIG IDEA was to sell software to Big Blue on a royalty basis and not flat out.


3 posted on 02/06/2005 9:22:13 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Abcdefg
Isn't recognizing Kildall and dissing Gates a little like touting Albert the mechanic and ignoring Henry Ford?
4 posted on 02/06/2005 10:28:35 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Abcdefg

I used both CP/M and MS-DOS; MS-DOS was much better.


5 posted on 02/07/2005 12:04:32 AM PST by E=MC<sup>2</sup> (...And on the 666th day, satan created the demonrat party.)
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To: okie01

CP/M existed before MS -DOS.


6 posted on 02/07/2005 12:23:28 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: E=MC<sup>2</sup>
I used both CP/M and MS-DOS; MS-DOS was much better.

In 1981, CP/M-86 was better than PC-DOS.

7 posted on 02/07/2005 7:33:39 AM PST by HAL9000 (Skype me at "FreeRepublic")
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To: Cicero
Harold Evans is a jerk. Like him or not, Bill Gates changed the world. There are plenty of brilliant software developers, but having an idea is only half the battle. You have to put the idea into practice. You have to sell it, if you like. A lot of the most basic computer software ideas were developed by Xerox. But Xerox apparently never understood their value and never did anything with them. They would still be historical curiosities if people like Gates hadn't taken them and run with them.

Excellent points. Kildall may have developed CP/M. But it took Gates to put desktop software in the hands of average people. So who did more to help the average person? Obviously, it was Gates, not Kildall. Invention is not the hardest part of innovation. Finding a way to commercialize invention is the most meaningful and significant part of innovation -- primarily because it has the ability to affect more people's lives. Kildall never came close to achieving that. Gates did.
8 posted on 02/07/2005 9:12:13 AM PST by Bush2000
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To: Abcdefg

I thought it was Kildall's wife who screwed up the deal with IBM. Something about not wanting him to sign an NDA.

Anyone have the whole story?




9 posted on 02/07/2005 9:14:53 AM PST by Lx (Tuesday is Soylent green day!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
CP/M existed before MS -DOS.

Automobiles existed before Henry Ford.

It takes a Google query to elicit who built the first automobile. But we all know who had the vision, perspicacity and know-how to convert them into an industrial revolution.

10 posted on 02/07/2005 12:34:38 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01
To support my statement about CP/M preceding MS-DOS :

Graphic: How Kildall Lost Out

11 posted on 02/07/2005 12:53:21 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Abcdefg

For more on DR-DOS vs Microsoft go here:

http://www.maxframe.com/DR/Info/COMPLAIN.HTM


12 posted on 02/07/2005 3:20:05 PM PST by amigatec (There are no significant bugs in our software... Maybe you're not using it properly.- Bill Gates)
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To: amigatec
And here:

http://www.maxframe.com/DR/Info/final4.html

Then you understand my MS decided to settle out of court, the estimates were around $500,000,000.
13 posted on 02/07/2005 3:26:44 PM PST by amigatec (There are no significant bugs in our software... Maybe you're not using it properly.- Bill Gates)
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To: okie01

Ford's real innovation was not the car but the modern day assembly line that made the car affordable to the masses.

Then he bucked conventional wisdom of the day and paid his employees enough to be able to afford one.


14 posted on 02/07/2005 3:30:05 PM PST by Fledermaus (I Googled "Democrat+Sane" and got no hits.)
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To: Fledermaus; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Ford's real innovation was not the car but the modern day assembly line that made the car affordable to the masses.

Which is why we remember Henry Ford...and not Nicolas Cugnot. Just as we remember Thomas Edison and Robert Fulton -- because they produced the first commercial successes.

The same might be said of Bill Gates, as opposed to Gary Kildall. Of course, CP/M pre-dated MS-DOS. But where is CP/M today? What did it have to do with the computer revolution?

15 posted on 02/07/2005 4:10:37 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: HAL9000
In 1981, CP/M-86 was better than PC-DOS.

You are probably right; we never tried CP/M-86 much because the IBM-PC was already filling a niche in business. I think the IBM-PC was successful over competitors (including Apple) because it was compatible with mainframe protocols, a very important feature to business who spent millions on its mainframes. (As an aside, Apple stuck its tongue out at IBM then and suffered for it.)

16 posted on 02/09/2005 9:03:51 PM PST by E=MC<sup>2</sup> (...And on the 666th day, satan created the demonrat party.)
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To: E=MC<sup>2</sup>
You are probably right; we never tried CP/M-86 much because the IBM-PC was already filling a niche in business.

Originally, CP/M-86 was intended to be the business-class operating system for IBM PCs. PC-DOS was intended for home use, games, etc. (I think I still have a copy of the fax we received from IBM at our mainframe shop on the day of the PC's introduction in 1981. And I have the first issue PC Magazine, so I'll try to check all that.)

(As an aside, Apple stuck its tongue out at IBM then and suffered for it.)

For the past several years, IBM has been the one suffering in the PC business. But Apple and IBM are good friends now, with IBM manufacturing the G5 and ASIC chips for Macs in New York.

17 posted on 02/09/2005 9:44:57 PM PST by HAL9000 (Skype me at "FreeRepublic")
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To: HAL9000
And I have the first issue PC Magazine,

Do you have the third (I think) issue? I still can remember that gal in the blue dress on the cover after all these years; she infuriated the girls in our department (they called her a "bimbo"). :-)

18 posted on 02/10/2005 8:02:21 PM PST by E=MC<sup>2</sup> (...And on the 666th day, satan created the demonrat party.)
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