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Christianity attacked by ACLU
Wilson County News ^ | 02.FEB.05 | Thomas D. Segel

Posted on 02/05/2005 9:22:41 AM PST by SwinneySwitch

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To: Youngblood

How about a HISTORY class?


21 posted on 02/05/2005 11:02:32 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (America, bless God.)
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To: SwinneySwitch
The ACLU only succeeds because judges consistently rule in their favor. I'm sure that if you investigated the background of judges you would find that many have an old ACLU membership in there somewhere. Being a member of the ACLU at any time in the past should automatically disqualify a lawyer from ruling on any ACLU backed lawsuit. This group has deliberately set out to sabotage the Christian faith and remove it from the center of American political and moral thought. Ex-members now hold many judgeships and cannot issue unbiased rulings in the kinds of issues that the ACLU pursues.
Their motto should be: "Why seek change through the ballot box when the legal system is more easily manipulated".
22 posted on 02/05/2005 12:28:58 PM PST by finnigan2
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To: SwinneySwitch
Just fight back. Break the laws and make them prosecute you. Then unite, and march on Washington. The little Target boycott was just the beginning. Hit those who support Christian bashing in the wallet, the only heart they have
23 posted on 02/05/2005 12:35:14 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (Mayor of Jesusland)
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To: D Edmund Joaquin; finnigan2; F16Fighter
Among ACLU's founders January 12, 1920, were William Z. Foster, Elizabeth Gurley Flynn and Louis F. Budenz. All three later became prominent leaders of the Communist Party, USA, although Budenz broke with the Party in 1945 and became a militant anti-Communist.

In 1976, Congress passed the Civil Rights Attorneys Fee Awards Act, which was designed to encourage private lawyers to take on suits to protect civil and constitutional rights. The law provides that judges can order federal and state governments to pay legal fees to private lawyers who sued the government and won. The result has been a flood of civil rights cases in federal court. From The New American Feb. 2, 1987

It's an outrage that US law, passed during the Watergate era, allows the ACLU to collect attorney's fees for makework----Christian-hatng lawsuits it itself launches.

That means "values voters" have been footing the bill for the ACLU's launching a juggernaut to remove Ten Commandments images, Christmas creches and Christmas carols, taking God out of the Pledge of Allegiance, and because they claim they have a civil right not to see the Ten Commandments, a civil right not to hear the word “God” in the Pledge of Allegiance, not to see a creche of the Baby Jesus, not to hear Christmas carols. The ACLU has collected a huge amount of our tax dollars in this left-handed fundraiser for the ACLU.

FReepers can silence the ACLU with a bit of activism. We need to insist our Congressmen repeal this abusive law that allows the ACLU to get rich on harassing Christian America. Congress must repeal laws enabling the ACLU's Christian-hating activities. Cut off the ACLU's funds and watch them disappear. Here's what we can do.

Under the aegis of the ACLU's Foundation---worth some $135 million---any number of financial travesties can be hidden. The IRS should determine whether the ACLU is properly accounting for all its tax-funded activities, whether it is inflating legal costs, and whether it is using tax dollars for the purposes stated. We need to know whether the ACLU is engaged in Enron-style accounting and spending practices.

REFERENCE SOURCE FOR ARGUING REPEAL TO CONGRESS

Apparently, when Congress contemplated the fee-shifting bill three decades ago, it never conceived that 42 U.S.C. §1988 would be used to secure fees in esoteric battles over the meaning of the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

The statute gives a court "discretion" to award attorneys' fees to the prevailing party in civil rights cases.

Study of the legislative history of the statute reveals that Congress intended this statute to apply to civil rights abuses, including certain race and sex discrimination cases, but not to arguments about whether Judge Roy Moore is allowed to display the Ten Commandments in the Alabama courthouse.

During the deliberations on the bill, the Senate penned that "in many cases arising under our civil rights laws, the citizen who must sue to enforce the law has little or no money with which to hire a lawyer."[6] In the recent First Amendment lawsuits filed by the ACLU, the tables are turned.

Small school districts and municipalities can either defend lawsuits and risk paying the ACLU's attorneys' fees if they lose, or they can voluntarily submit to the ACLU's view of the Constitution.

Even if lawsuits over the establishment clause somehow fall within 42 U.S.C. §1988, the statute empowers courts with nothing more than "discretion" to award fees.

In these cases, one would expect courts to withhold awarding fees. Since this is not happening, Congress must take immediate action to clarify 42 U.S.C. §1988 to explicitly exclude lawsuits related to the acknowledgement of God.

24 posted on 02/05/2005 2:45:13 PM PST by Liz (Wise men are instructed by reason; lesser men, by experience; the ignorant, by necessity. Cicero)
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To: Liz
"It's an outrage that US law, passed during the Watergate era, allows the ACLU to collect attorney's fees for makework----Christian-hatng lawsuits it itself launches."

An outrage indeed...

Thanks Liz, for an important and enlightening post.

25 posted on 02/05/2005 2:49:37 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: SwinneySwitch
The Founders' acknowledgement of Creator-endowed life, rights, and liberty constituted the foundation for their Constitution.

That idea, encapsulated in the words of the Declaration, disputed all ideas that the rights of ANY individual are derived from, or can be considered to be grants of, any other human being or collection of human beings in positions of power in government.

When the central idea underlying the protections of the United States Constitution is permitted to be eradicated from public discourse and public places, upon what basis will future generations base their understanding of rights and liberty? Either the rights and liberties of individuals are PRIOR TO to their becoming a part of a civic society, or they are GRANTS OF that civic society's ruler or ruling body. America's Founders were knowledgeable enough of the history of civilization to understand the human tendency toward abuse of power, whether by one or by many. The power of THEIR idea was their recognition of the Source of life, liberty, and rights, and the need to protect them through a written Constitution, amendable by THE PEOPLE only.

As that recognition is removed from the minds of citizens by organizations claiming to "protect" their rights, one can anticipate approaching tyranny.

"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them." - Jefferson

26 posted on 02/05/2005 5:02:29 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: F16Fighter

You have emerged as a leader at a momentous time.
You have the helm Sir.
Carry on.


27 posted on 02/05/2005 5:42:19 PM PST by CBart95
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To: SwinneySwitch
"Christianity attacked by ACLU"

This is news??? To whom?

28 posted on 02/05/2005 6:17:33 PM PST by sweetliberty (Blind stupidity or blind loyalty is still blind.)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Anything that we can be confident was an actual occurence should be in discussed in history class. Adam and Eve or a global-scale Noah's Flood don't fall into that category.


29 posted on 02/07/2005 7:07:07 AM PST by Youngblood
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To: Youngblood

When you studied ancient history, you studied Greek mythology and Roman gods and goddesses didn't you?

How condfident are you that those were actual occurences?


30 posted on 02/07/2005 9:37:43 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (America, bless God.)
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To: Jay777

Ping


31 posted on 02/07/2005 9:39:36 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: RepCath; Liz; IronJack; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP; Iris7; wkdaysoff; ApesForEvolution; EdReform; ...

Ping! Looks like I found this one late in the game.


32 posted on 02/07/2005 11:41:08 AM PST by Jay777 (Gen. Tommy Franks for President in 08)
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To: SwinneySwitch
When you studied ancient history, you studied Greek mythology and Roman gods and goddesses didn't you?

I was never taught that Greek and Roman deities actually existed, just that they were the basis of Classical religion.

Are you proposing teaching that Adam & Eve existed as historical fact?

33 posted on 02/07/2005 11:46:40 AM PST by Modernman (What is moral is what you feel good after. - Ernest Hemingway)
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To: SwinneySwitch

I think the answer is to put what the ACLU is doing second and go for the jugular vein by lobbying Congress to place a referendum on the next national election to make the ACLU a political party or 527 type of group and make their donations become private donations taxable by the Federal Government. The second alternative is to make it a check box on something like drivers license renewal, and in time the entire population would filter through the process. With the ACLU weakened the battle could still be waged against them in court and the tide would turn in concert with the changes occurring on the Supreme Court


34 posted on 02/07/2005 11:50:00 AM PST by TheForceOfOne (Social Security – I thought pyramid schemes were illegal!)
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To: SwinneySwitch
Problem is they do not fight the ACLU directly.. What needs to be done is to sue the ACLU directly every time they sue. Sue to get our tax money back for there is nothing in our Constitution that allows money to be given to an organization whose sole purpose in the destruction of the United States.
35 posted on 02/07/2005 12:23:50 PM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: Modernman
"I was never taught that Greek and Roman deities actually existed, just that they were the basis of Classical religion.

Are you proposing teaching that Adam & Eve existed as historical fact?"

Are you proposing that the books of the Bible are not the basis of Judaism and Christianity?

36 posted on 02/07/2005 3:45:56 PM PST by SwinneySwitch (America, bless God!)
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To: RepCath; Liz; IronJack; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP; Iris7; wkdaysoff; ApesForEvolution; EdReform; ...

Ping!


37 posted on 02/07/2005 4:44:43 PM PST by Jay777 (Gen. Tommy Franks for President in 08)
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To: All
You can join the fight against the ACLU and their ilk by becoming involved with and supporting the following organizations:

Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) - http://www.alliancedefensefund.org

Thomas More Law Center (TMLC) - http://www.thomasmore.org

American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) - http://www.aclj.org

The Rutherford Institute - http://www.rutherford.org/

Stop the ACLU Coalition - http://www.stoptheaclu.org


Here are a few examples of how two of those organizations are fighting back:

ADF Contacts Over 3,600 School Districts Over Attempts To Censor Christmas

ADF: 700 lawyers ready to fight ACLU lawsuits

ADF: Pentagons' Warning About Boyscouts Is Absurd

Thomas More Law Center: Town of Palm Beach Pays $50,000 In Attorney Fees Apologizes To Women In Nativity Lawsuit


Additional information:

The ACLU must be destroyed: Joseph Farah supports Boy Scouts, urges Americans to fight back

Citizens mobilized to stop ACLU (seeks to consign group to 'ash heap of history')

ACLU fulfilling communist agenda

Revealing FACTS on the ACLU from its own writings

See how YOUR Senator or Representative ranks with the ACLU

This group just started on December 3, 2004 and are looking for new members to their yahoo group

Let me know if you would like to join my ACLU Ping List!
38 posted on 02/07/2005 4:45:01 PM PST by Jay777 (Gen. Tommy Franks for President in 08)
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To: Liz; All

Prayer for the youth!

39 posted on 02/07/2005 4:45:37 PM PST by Jay777 (Gen. Tommy Franks for President in 08)
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To: Jay777
put me on that list, baby. You just visited my blog...on my ACLU post ACLU-Let's Stop Them Thanks for the info...
40 posted on 02/07/2005 4:50:25 PM PST by Caoilfhionn (Hold fast to the Bible as the sheet anchor of your liberties-Ulysses S. Grant)
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