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As with all monitoring technology, it's a two-edged sword. But if a speeding drunk hits me, I would like to see his data.
1 posted on 02/04/2005 7:31:09 PM PST by Rennes Templar
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Well, if the data recorded on the box is accurate, that kid should be in trouble.


2 posted on 02/04/2005 7:33:45 PM PST by Floratina
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I say take a hammer to it since you own it with the car. Until they pass a law stating that it's Govt. Property then....IMO of course.


3 posted on 02/04/2005 7:34:12 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If Islam is a religion of peace, they should fire their P.R. guy!)
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of course, but we only here about these extreme cases.

most of the cases where this is going to be used will not be such extreme cases, they will be "simple" cases. Basically, if you are involved in an accident that results in serious injury or fatality to someone else - if you've made one mistake, 10MPH over the limit, maybe you didn't brake as early as you could have before the impact - they are going to use the car data to both prosecute you in court, or go after your assets in civil court. these black boxes will force anyone who gets into an accident to show they they were a "perfect driver" before the impact.


4 posted on 02/04/2005 7:35:28 PM PST by oceanview
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Evil Data Recorder? My data recorder only records goodness. ;-)


7 posted on 02/04/2005 7:36:37 PM PST by RetroWarrior ("We count it death to falter, not to die")
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Most people don't know their car has a black box.
The most hackneyed term of our lifetimes: black box.

The slang from which this sprouted as used by the true techies should *never* have been allowed to have 'escaped' ...

8 posted on 02/04/2005 7:36:39 PM PST by _Jim (<--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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as long as it doesn't record my baaad singing...


9 posted on 02/04/2005 7:37:19 PM PST by hispanarepublicana (Miss Free Republic High School-198?)
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i honestly TRY to drive correctly, so i don't care.


11 posted on 02/04/2005 7:38:43 PM PST by ken21 (most news today is either stupid or evil.)
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They are similar to ones in airplanes, although they don't record voices, but they do record plenty of other things that happen before a crash.
FAILURE by the author to understand that there are TWO types of recorders aboard air-transport aircraft - data and voice recorders?
12 posted on 02/04/2005 7:39:11 PM PST by _Jim (<--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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I don't think they installed them on '88 ford broncos, but I'll look.


15 posted on 02/04/2005 7:39:52 PM PST by exnavy (lead, follow or get out of the way)
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An 86 year old man killed 10 people and injured 63 when he plowed into a farmer's market in California in 2003. Some witnesses said he was braking, others said he was accelerating.

There's no way that nutjob was braking. The 10 people he killed were spaced over a distance of at least 100 yards and they weren't all in the same line. He won't do any time because he's an old fogey.

19 posted on 02/04/2005 7:40:57 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Please leave a message after the burp....)
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Attorney Wayne Copeland: "We're no longer a country that's as free as it once was. We're more of a police state every day."
Defendant's attorney, no doubt, busy poisoning the jury pool ...
21 posted on 02/04/2005 7:41:37 PM PST by _Jim (<--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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An 86 year old man killed 10 people and injured 63 when he plowed into a farmer's market in California in 2003. Some witnesses said he was braking, others said he was accelerating.

If Russell Weller hadn't hit a car at an intersection thereby causing his car to stop with a body on the hood and one underneath, he'd still be plowing people over.

24 posted on 02/04/2005 7:43:20 PM PST by hole_n_one
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It has already been used for at least one DUI trial. The facts gleaned from the recorder were air bag deployment time and brake application.


26 posted on 02/04/2005 7:44:45 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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Any legal eagles here can explain why it is not a 5th ammendment violation to prosecute somebody using this data ?


30 posted on 02/04/2005 7:47:00 PM PST by mo
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This was tested in 4 Wheel drive pick ups in
the South East.
In 99% of all fatal accidents the last recorded words
were
"Here Bubba, Hold my beer and watch this"
31 posted on 02/04/2005 7:47:16 PM PST by WKB (Is it weird here, or is it just me?)
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Anybody know if flight data recorders can be used for criminal and civil proceedings? I thought they were used only for the safety investigation, but I could be wrong.


32 posted on 02/04/2005 7:47:56 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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If a speeding Drunk hits you,,You already have seen the data


34 posted on 02/04/2005 7:49:06 PM PST by southronbtgoG (If I knew everything , I'd be ,,,well I don't come close)
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Sorry guys, it's not just one box; your OBD-II system (all all cars and light trucks made since 1996, records all kinds of drivetrain-related data for emissions compliance; you supplemental restraint system records a continuous loop of data right up until an air bag deploys, and other vehicle systems also keep tabs on various vehicle parameters.


38 posted on 02/04/2005 7:52:14 PM PST by Jagman (so that's it then, we're all dead...)
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"We're no longer a country that's as free as it once was. We're more of a police state every day."

Words from someone with something to hide.

43 posted on 02/04/2005 7:55:36 PM PST by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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Maybe George Jones knew something before we all did. They don't have them on Lawn Mowers yet, do they?


45 posted on 02/04/2005 7:55:55 PM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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