The Answer for Pro-Lifers? Gingrich Offers Battle Plan For Taming Federal Judiciary.

The Wanderer Newspaper ^ | 1-27-05 issue | THOMAS F. ROESER

[Tarpaulin]

(ala Johny Carson)

A: "Coleus"

Q: "To whom will cpforlife.org's next reply be to."

[cpforlife.org]

"People mistakenly assume that just because the GOP has a majority in both Houses of Congress, they'll be able to pass any legislation like this. The reality is that the GOP doesn't even have enough votes on its own side of the aisle to do this -- let alone any Democrat attempt to filibuster it in the U.S. Senate. Does anyone really think people like Olympia Snowe and Lincoln Chafee are going to support this?"

Excellent points as usual AC. I stopped making ASSumptions about political parties, especially in regardgs to abortion years ago. I do sometimes throw out an idea to offer hope for this bleak situation which possibly could help focus on the GOP's inaction on this.

[cpforlife.org]

[Tarpaulin]

Well, yes. God bless.

Your motives are the best, but I suspect that you have just pulled a ruse.

The mod has flatly claimed that your headline was not altered, yet you say "I know what was on my screen" to me without addressing the accusation directly to the mod.

"I DON"T THINK SO TARP"
Now that helped a lot, didn't it?

No, I think I'll nitpick just a bit more, if you don't mind.

You are looking quite a lot like the "fight or flight" mode is kicking in.

Who is being dishonest? Was the headline altered, or are you lying to me?

[cpforlife.org]

Coleus,

You just hit the nail on the head!!!!!!!!!

"the republican party will not push to reverse roe v. wade, they can't since the will lost the Pro life democrat base and will subsequently lose elections and lose power."

So the Pro-Life Movement is forever stuck between a rock and a hard place with no options the Pro-Life leadership will even entertain.

It can be said by the GOP that If we do what you Pro-Lifers are proposing we will loose power and you will be destroyed by an empowered Pro-Abort DNC back in control!

So we stay where we are and wait for things to change. Well it looks like the current situation in DC is as Pro-Life as it will get, maybe a bit more of an increase in the mid-term 2006. After Bush's term noone has a clue, but I'd guess it won't get better.

And that is the genius of Congressman Paul's We the People Act (HR 3893). It unites the Pro-Life, Pro Traditional Marraige, and Pro First Amendment constituencies together. It would remedy the problems all three of these groups have with the judiciary. If these three groups cannot unite and sucessfully direct their elected representatives to correct the courts on these matters, I'd have to say things are very bleak indeed.

We the People Act (HR 3893)- Prohibits the Supreme Court and each Federal court from adjudicating any claim or relying on judicial decisions involving: (1) State or local laws, regulations, or policies concerning the free exercise or establishment of religion; (2) the right of privacy, including issues of sexual practices, orientation, or reproduction; or (3) the right to marry without regard to sex or sexual orientation where based upon equal protection of the laws.

[Coleus]

If people would take the time to read S 3, the so-called ban on partial birth abortion; they will find out that it does NOT ban Partial Birth Abortion!

believe it or not, there is a "clause" allowing the baby to still be murdered so long as his navel is not showing.

I wish someone could prove me wrong on this one, it's making me think very little about Rick Santorum, Chris Smith and the rest of the "pro lifers" who pulled the wool over our eyes.

[Mr. Silverback]

ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

[cpforlife.org]

No one can prove you wrong, cause it's on the record:

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/abortion/2003s3.html

CHAPTER 74 -- PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTIONS

"Sec.
"1531. Partial-birth abortions prohibited

§1531. Partial-birth abortions prohibited

(a) Any physician who, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, knowingly performs a partial-birth abortion and thereby kills a human fetus shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself. This subsection takes effect 1 day after the date of enactment of this chapter.

(b) As used in this section --

(1) the term 'partial-birth abortion' means an abortion in which --

(A) the person performing the abortion deliberately and intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until, in the case of a head-first presentation, the entire fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother for the purpose of performing an overt act that the person knows will kill the partially delivered living fetus

[cpforlife.org]

Moreover the process of Partial Birth Abortion takes three days.

When does a procedure REQUIRED to save the life of the mother take 3 days!

Why not induce labor and just deliver, or do a c-section and skip the part where they jab sissors in the back of the child's head and suction out their brains.

The sole purpopse of PBA and all abortions is to kill the child and make money. Not help the mother. Just stating the obvious.

[Tarpaulin]

Keyword and a tag for you.
Your motives are great, but you methods are not.

[Coleus]

Methods?

by which methods would you like him to promote the pro life cause on the FR?

[Tarpaulin]

Well, how about calling the FR staff dishonest? Does that sound like a good plan for trumpeting any agenda on FR?

[commonguymd]

I kind of took it that issue was over and handled. You keep bringing it up.

[Coleus]

If they changed the title then cpforlife was correct and much to nice.

He has one of the best pro life web sites I've ever seen, looked at by millions, I think his methods are great and you haven't given me any suggestions. Can you do better?

[Tarpaulin]

methods are great

The author of this thread has, in essence, accused the mods of lying.

The author of this thread has also refused to address the matter, so far.

While a member of our cause, I can still turn my back on a charlatan.

[Coleus]

The author of this thread has, in essence, accused the mods of lying. >>

I ask again, what methods do you think he should use to promote the pro-life cause, you haven't answered the question and keep on sidestepping. What have you done for the cause, what threads have you posted, what webpages do you own, what do you do for the pro-life cause, are you pro life? The mods are adults and can take some criticism, believe me, worse have been said to them, they can take it and don't need you, me or anyone else to stick up for them.

[commonguymd]

Good post.

[Tarpaulin]

"promote the pro-life cause"

Does having a son count? Converting my sister - producing my second nephew, does that count?

How about Church? Does that count?

How about the poster admitting that this was a ruse for publicity? Does that count?

You bet!

[Coleus]

Does having a son count? >>

Does it? I know hundreds of pro-abortion liberals with lots of children, it doesn't make them pro life, it makes them pro abortion. Pro-abortion is a state of being, an action, a way of life, the way one votes. There are lots of pro aborts in church and having children. I think cpforlife does a lot for the movement. The pro life movement needs volunteers not criticizers. I'm glad your sister saw the light and am I'm glad she had her son and doesn't regret her decision for life. That was a good thing you did, but you don't have to disparage pro life activists for trying. It's not nice. Education is the key and Cpforlife is doing his job, that's what the fr is about, posting articles, weblogs, webpages and informing people about what's going on. I've learned a lot thanks to the Fr.

[ichabod1]

Overturning Roe v. Wade would not make abortion illegal.