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To: Dane

I know you must find it threatening to be reminded that your sort of 'free trade at all costs', OBL ideology has the financing of the K street hustlers but not the support of most Americans. That is why NAFTA was disastrous for the New Democrats because it drove away Joe Sixpack and Kerry lost because an economic nationalist agenda could have easily swept the suffering Rust Belt.

And you fail as ever to see the salient point. Perot was leading in the polls until he dropped out of the race. And not because of fear of Clinton because Clinton remained third of three. Because he just plain didn't want it bad enough. After all, people who run for president these days have been running their entire lives. When he reentered the race he saw that most of his support had gone to Clinton after Sistah Souljah. His agenda of economic nationalism is a winner. Every voice of elite opinion, all editorial boards of all major publications, every mainstream economist, all living ex-Presidents supported NAFTA. But it still barely passed because Joe Sixpack smelled a rat. After illegals, after outsourcing, after obscene trade deficits the ground has shifted. Maybe "free trade" is just textbook theory and textbooks need to be adjusted. Ricardo's point about England not trying to create a protected, subsidized wine industry was one thing. Watching your capacity to make advanced industrial goods migrate overseas is another.


50 posted on 02/03/2005 11:46:37 AM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: Sam the Sham
And you fail as ever to see the salient point. Perot was leading in the polls until he dropped out of the race. And not because of fear of Clinton because Clinton remained third of three. Because he just plain didn't want it bad enough. After all, people who run for president these days have been running their entire lives. When he reentered the race he saw that most of his support had gone to Clinton after Sistah Souljah. His agenda of economic nationalism is a winner. Every voice of elite opinion, all editorial boards of all major publications, every mainstream economist, all living ex-Presidents supported NAFTA. But it still barely passed because Joe Sixpack smelled a rat. After illegals, after outsourcing, after obscene trade deficits the ground has shifted. Maybe "free trade" is just textbook theory and textbooks need to be adjusted. Ricardo's point about England not trying to create a protected, subsidized wine industry was one thing. Watching your capacity to make advanced industrial goods migrate overseas is another

LOL! Perot dropped out in 92 and all of the sudden got back in with the massive help of CNN. Perot was never serious, except to get the contracts from hillarycare.

Like I said before, you can go on with your covert democrat ruse on FR, just don't get all hot and bothered when people on FR point it out.

51 posted on 02/03/2005 11:57:36 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Sam the Sham
You see this?

Its the sound of the world's smallest violin, playing...

Smokestack America is all but dead. We still manufacture goods prodcutively and more efficiently thanks to increased automation. Being that you have probably never stepped foot into one of the newer factories, you probably think that we need places that employ 30,000 people. Guess, what THE INDUSTRIAL LABOR FORCE HAS DECLINED ON A GLOBAL BASIS AS A SHARE OF THE TOTAL LABOR FORCE DUE TO TECHNOLOGICAL EFFICIENCY! If "outsourcin'" was "screwin' the Amurcan Werkin' man" as you say, how come people in Brazil, Mexico and even Korea are complaining about there not being the industrial jobs that there used to be.

Efficiency & low prices are good. Consumer choice is good. I'd probably meet you halfway and agree that "dumping" is evil and that trade agreements that don't bind both parties to the same rules are bad, but, other than that, I am a PROUD Free Trader.

71 posted on 02/03/2005 2:58:25 PM PST by Clemenza (I Am Here to Chew Bubblegum and Kick Ass, and I'm ALL OUT OF BUBBLEGUM!)
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To: Sam the Sham

ping


189 posted on 12/28/2005 10:26:24 PM PST by JessieHelmsJr
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To: Sam the Sham

God Bless You. I couldn't have said it better.

All things in moderation and yes that includes Free Trade.


190 posted on 12/29/2005 8:10:25 AM PST by fairtrader
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