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State to consider ban on lead bullets
Santa Barbara News Press ^ | 2/3/05 | ANNA DAVISON

Posted on 02/03/2005 6:49:16 AM PST by RKV

The California Fish and Game Commission on Friday will consider a bold proposal to help the endangered California condor: a ban on lead bullets.

Several environmental groups and some hunters have petitioned the state for an immediate ban on the use of lead ammunition in the range of the California condor, which includes parts of Los Padres National Forest, and an eventual phase-out throughout the state to protect other wildlife.

The commission will consider the proposal and hear public comments at its meeting Friday in San Diego.

Condors swallow the bullets by eating carcasses of animals that have been shot. There have been voluntary efforts to encourage hunters to switch to lead-free ammunition, but the petitioners say that's not enough.

"The condor can't wait 20 years for enough people to decide to start using it," said Jeff Miller of the Center for Biological Diversity, one of the petitioners.

"Unfortunately, we've had to be this radical, but nobody's doing anything. They talk about it and talk about it and talk about it," said Anthony Prieto of Santa Barbara, a hunter who has worked as a volunteer on condor recovery efforts and signed the petition.

He also helped found "Project Gutpile," a loose coalition of hunters and biologists working to encourage hunters to go lead-free or bury the remains of carcasses containing lead fragments.

Over the past decade, at least half a dozen California condors have died of lead poisoning -- including two that appear to have succumbed to lead in the past month -- and lead toxicity has been implicated in at least a dozen other deaths.

More than two dozen other birds have had to be captured and treated to remove lead from their blood. The total population of California condors now stands at about 240, about 110 of those in the wild and the rest in captive breeding programs.

Various types of lead-free ammunition are available, though many are more expensive than the lead versions and some hunters say they don't perform as well.

Petitioners will ask the commission to offer rebates and buybacks if the proposal passes.

Some hunters say there's more to the proposed ban than just protecting wildlife. "This isn't about condors," wrote one person on the online conservative forum Free Republic. "It's about de facto gun control via ammunition control."

e-mail: adavison@newspress.com


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: ammo; bang; banglist; bulletban; environment; guncontrol; lead
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Time to write your legislators. Note the reference to Free Republic. Interesting that we are used as a "source."
1 posted on 02/03/2005 6:49:17 AM PST by RKV
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some hunters have petitioned the state for an immediate ban on the use of lead ammunition


2 posted on 02/03/2005 6:54:02 AM PST by aomagrat (Where weapons are not allowed, it is best to carry weapons.)
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Some hunters? How many? 2? 3? What do they hunt? Two-legged beavers?.....


3 posted on 02/03/2005 6:54:05 AM PST by Red Badger (ANONYMOUS IRAQI VOTER: "I dipped it deep as if I was poking the eyes of all the world's tyrants.)
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I agree with respect to your flag signals. Heh.


4 posted on 02/03/2005 6:57:19 AM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: Red Badger

Hundreds of thousands of humans must bear the cost of a few dozen condors based on unproven assertions, rather than science. Even if the science is right, the principle of cost/benefit should be used to determine what the appropriate course of action is.


5 posted on 02/03/2005 6:59:07 AM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: bang_list

State to consider ban on lead bullets - fyi.


6 posted on 02/03/2005 7:00:17 AM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: aomagrat

Roger the Bravo Sierra!


7 posted on 02/03/2005 7:03:49 AM PST by grobdriver (Let the embeds check the bodies!)
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To: RKV

Whatever it takes to make firearms affordable for less and less Californians. Pretty soon they hope that only movie stars, police and government officials will be able to afford firearms. What a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful world that would be.


8 posted on 02/03/2005 7:03:59 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian ( Political correctness in incorrect. ><BCC>)
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I guess they just don't get that the CA condor **should** have been extinct 50,000 years ago...
9 posted on 02/03/2005 7:05:43 AM PST by xcamel (Deep Red, stuck in a "bleu" state.)
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To: grobdriver

Why don't all the people move out of the State (to Canuckistan) so that it can be turned into a human free zone. Or if that is too ambitious lets corral the humans into fenced zoo-like enclosures so that the vast majority of the state is given over to nature.


10 posted on 02/03/2005 7:05:54 AM PST by Jack Black
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By jove, I think you've got it. Grrrr.


11 posted on 02/03/2005 7:07:29 AM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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I must be psychic. As soon as I read the title, somehow I knew that I would see the word "California" very, very soon.


12 posted on 02/03/2005 7:09:01 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Where does bandwidth go when it is wasted?)
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This just sounds incredible to me. How do they come up with this stuff? How does anyone know what a Condor ate, and then know that the partakings had a lead bullet in it? Don't hunters eat birds that have been killed with lead shotgun shot? Sounds like this is just made up stuff to put more restrictions on gun owners.


13 posted on 02/03/2005 7:10:18 AM PST by sangoo
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Lead shot for duck hunting has been banned in New Jersey for years, due to ingestion of shot by waterfowl when feeding.


14 posted on 02/03/2005 7:17:00 AM PST by JimRed (Investigate, overturn and prosecute vote fraud in the State of Washington !)
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Screw the Condor. It's an ugly old bird anyway.


15 posted on 02/03/2005 7:18:03 AM PST by Beckwith (Barbara Boxer is the Wicked Witch of the West . . .)
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"This isn't about condors," wrote one person on the online conservative forum Free Republic. "It's about de facto gun control via ammunition control."

Indeed. The military is also looking at phasing out the use of lead ammunition due to 'environmental concerns'. I don't always agree with what Joe Farah writes in WND, but this article from April 2000 nails it down exactly.

BLOAT!!
16 posted on 02/03/2005 7:18:57 AM PST by Give Piece A Chance
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What a lie.

How many "hunters" shoot an animal and then don't drag it home?


17 posted on 02/03/2005 7:23:20 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Got Gas?)
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OK, where can I get depleted uranium bullets for a .30-06? That's the ticket.


18 posted on 02/03/2005 7:23:56 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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What hunters are leaving carcasses for the condors to eat? Let's find those few bad eggs who aren't tracking down what they shoot.

To be honest, I'm starting to think that more stringent hunting licensing (IOW, you need to be a qualified hunter) might be a good idea, given all the idiots in hunting outfits out there. Not yet, but the more idiots I see the stronger the thought becomes.


19 posted on 02/03/2005 7:25:43 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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Screw the Condor. It's an ugly old bird anyway.

Naw... shoot the damn condors. Really give them lead poisioning!

20 posted on 02/03/2005 7:26:29 AM PST by grobdriver (Let the embeds check the bodies!)
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