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To: wardaddy
Did not the persecution against Jews really take off in modern times when Uncle Joe identified them as Trotsky supporters after he grabbed power following Lenin's death. Prior to that weren't Jews somewhat prominant amongst the Mensheviks and then Bolshie
In part. Stalin also tied to send all Jews to Siberia, but died before the "Doctor's Plot" could lead to mass murder.

And at least in the western part of post WWII European Iron Curtain area did not surviving Jews regain power in those communist regimes like Hungary for example where they got some getback till the next purge.
While many Communists were of Jewish descent, they did not act in the interest of JEws. Communism has been anti-Jewish since Marx called for society to be freed from Judaism.

Nearly all of the Russsian oligarchs are Jewish (identity-wise) and from what I am told by Russians I know (some of whom are Jewish too), there is considerable resentment there over the oligarchs and a desire for some house cleaning by Putin.
About 1/3 are Jewish.

The Ukraine is the lands of the former Khazaria is it not? Small wonder it's the ground zero of Jewish issues in that part of the world. Someone here the other day said western Ukraine was ethnic Polish and that eastern was Russian.
Khazaria included much of the Eastern Ukraine, Southern Russia, and parts of Kazakhstan. However, the ethnicities in the area have nothing to do with an empire destroyed 1000 years ago. The only group claiming to be descendants of Khazars are the Karaylar (Turkic Karaite Jews) and Krimchaks (Turkic Orthodox Jews in the Crimea). There are a few thousand Karaylar/Karaim and almost no Krimchaks. Those that survived the Nazis were largely killed when they were rounded up by Stalin and sent off to Siberia with other Crimean Tatars.
There are a few Russian Jews with names like Kaganovich that are clearely of Khazar descent.
At any rate, one could argue that the Russians have organized themselves in opposition to Jews since Sviatoslav. Pick up the Chronicle of the Rus.
Was Beria Jewish at all? I know Lenin was 1/4 I think.
Levanti Beria was part Jewish. Ivan Ulionov was 1/8th Jewish and 1/4th Tatar. He was also a member of the lower nobility.

28 posted on 02/03/2005 10:38:16 AM PST by rmlew (Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
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To: rmlew
I said Jewish (identity-wise)...not that they were religious.....about the Oligarchs....that they are not loved in Russia is well known.

The section dealing with Russia is a case in point. Chua relies a great deal on secondary sources--with no major references to Russian material--to make the case that Jews form a "market-dominated minority" in Russia and takes as her starting point the "Jewishness" of six of the seven "oligarchs." But there are several problems with this approach. Two of the six "Jewish oligarchs" are baptized Orthodox Christians; most of the others consider themselves to be Russian by language and culture, and only one has explicitly supported Russian Jewish communal life. There is no cohesive and separate "Jewish" community to which the oligarchs belong. One might also question the focus on the "seven oligarchs" given that a number of key economic-political players (among them Moscow's mayor Yuri Luzhkov and LUKoil's president Vagit Alekperov) are not listed; nor is there much discussion about the rising business class. But most importantly, in a country where Russian identity is itself in flux, juxtaposing "Jews" and "Russians" in the same way that one might juxtapose Syrians and Lebanese businessmen against native Africans is a problematic approach indeed.

While many Communists were of Jewish descent, they did not act in the interest of JEws.

Indeed, like their non-Jewish comrades they were acting in the name of "Please Allow Me To Introduce Myself, I'm A Man of Wealth and Fame....Have You Guessed My Name" under the guise of messianic humanism...the new man....devoid of religion or worldy flaws existing for the collective good of the state.

I watched that documentary on the Weather Underground a few weeks ago and the common thread admitted by the two or three that had any contrition at all, was that folks who feel they have the moral high ground often become drunk with it and it leads to excess and absolute justification whether Stalin or Mao or Pol Pot or Hitler....or even Marat or Robespierre. Only Mark Rudd (whom I recall well from the Columbia takeover)and Todd Gitlin were actually remorseful...the rest were still defiant and cheeky about it....especially that shrew from Hell....Bernadine Dorhn. They were all except Flanagan working in academia...tenured.

30 posted on 02/03/2005 1:53:45 PM PST by wardaddy (I don't think Muslims are good for America....just a gut instinct thing.)
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To: rmlew
I know Lenin was 1/4 I think.

He was also 1/4 German, 1/4 Kalmyk (Mongolian) and 1/4 Chuvash (Turkic) if my memory serves me well.

31 posted on 02/03/2005 2:10:09 PM PST by A. Pole (Alexander Solzhenitsyn: "Live Not By Lies")
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To: rmlew
In part. Stalin also tied to send all Jews to Siberia, but died before the "Doctor's Plot" could lead to mass murder.

Not quite true. First, the religious Jews were butchered, along with the Christians by the "jews" of the party, who were jews by nationality but the typical leftist scum like all the others.

Stalin later supported Israel and was the first to recognize it. It was established as a socialist state that opposed the British and the French, and thus was a natural ally to Stalin. When the rich Jews in the US influenced the US government to swing Israel's support towards America and away from Stalin, Stalin created a "jewish" homeland in south central Siberia, on the Chinese border. This was not mass murder or exile, many Jews who were Communists went there willingly and others were persuaded, both negatively and positively. Of course, somewhere down the line, Stalin changed his mind and under cut the supplies for building the settlements (what's new?).

The Doctor's Plot was actually an excuse to purge out Krushchov, Molotov, Baria and the others, which is why they poisoned Stalin on the eve of the purges.

33 posted on 02/03/2005 7:44:56 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: rmlew; wardaddy
The Ukraine is the lands of the former Khazaria is it not? Small wonder it's the ground zero of Jewish issues in that part of the world. Someone here the other day said western Ukraine was ethnic Polish and that eastern was Russian.

Kiev was one of the western most areas of the Khazars. Their actual empire was centered around Stavrapol Oblast and stretched into northern Caucusis and I believe to Volgagrad.

34 posted on 02/03/2005 8:08:32 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: rmlew

"Was Beria Jewish at all? I know Lenin was 1/4 I think.
Levanti Beria was part Jewish. Ivan Ulionov was 1/8th Jewish and 1/4th Tatar. He was also a member of the lower nobility."

How can someone be 1/4, part, or 1/8th of a religion? Judaism is a religion. I can become a Jew. I cannot become an Israelite nor any other race by conversion.


61 posted on 01/19/2006 2:54:56 PM PST by askifyoudontknow
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