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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
"Name the areas."

Texas. Manufacturing sector, health care sector, education, law enforcement and oil patch. The children of immigrants are being educated as fast as we can to go into these professions.

"The flood of illegals has created a downward pressure upon wages in America. "

Which wages? Gardeners? Roofers? Car Washers? Immigrants coming here for minimum wage jobs don't drive down wages of anyone except people in those same minimum wage jobs, not doctors and lawyers.

"Illegal immigration is a cancer."

Meaningless bumper sticker slogan. They come because there is a demand for their labor and they provide essential services. Productive employees are a nation's greatest asset, not a cancer. That's unthinking babble.

"It undermines sovereignty of the nation. It undermines all efforts to secure ourselves from terrorists."

No it doesn't. That Buchanan/Tancredo fundraising nonsense. We've always had a large immigration population and our sovereignty hasn't been threatened by immigrants. Tsake a quick trip to your local veteran's cemetary and look at the names on the headstones and tell them they threatened our sovereignty. Next your going to say it causes global warming or some such nonsense.

"George Bush firmly believes poor people have a right to break the law to seek a better life. This is the rationale of a thief. "

Where have you been the last four years. Bush has proposed a guest worker program that would eliminate illegal labors. He has also increased border security. President Bush is not a thief.

" Bush's rationale, ... they want is a better life and we, the American people, OWE IT TO THEM. "

No, the rationale is that we need them and they need us. It's mutuality. Same theory as the drug trade, but different because these are good intentioned people engaged in beneficial activity.

President Bush is addressing the immigration situation in the most responsible way, just as he has all other issues.

48 posted on 02/03/2005 1:32:02 AM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: bayourod
Take a quick trip to your local veteran's cemetery and look at the names on the headstones and tell them they threatened our sovereignty.

Excellent points, especially this one! And the president want more people like this who identify themselves to our government so that they may become guest workers.

But I guess it's only "love your neighbor" only so long as he has the same pigmented skin as you do and he truly lives next door.

70 posted on 02/03/2005 3:53:57 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (Many things in moderation, some with conservation, few in immoderation, all because of liberation!)
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To: bayourod
We've always had a large immigration population and our sovereignty hasn't been threatened by immigrants. Tsake a quick trip to your local veteran's cemetary and look at the names on the headstones and tell them they threatened our sovereignty. Next your going to say it causes global warming or some such nonsense.

Yes and they all learned English and did not expect companies and schools to teach Spanish to accommodate them the Illegals are not here to become citizens such as those who came before them they come here to get as much as they can to support their families in Mexico.

77 posted on 02/03/2005 5:20:25 AM PST by CONSERVE
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To: bayourod; NoControllingLegalAuthority
Which wages?

Mine [airline], of which several departments have already been outsourced inside the US to minimum wage workers, the Spanish International desk has been outsourced to an office IN Mexico [putting legal Spanish speaking hispanics out of work ironically enough], and now another department is undergoing a "new home-based worker" program that is hiring people off the street with no money and no benefits..the beginning of the end for the rest of us.
[I guess now that the manufacturing is gone, customer service is the next target.] "JobsAmericansWon'tDoIsALIE!" [Jobs that increase the bottom line is what it is all about. Prices and the cost of living keep going up, and wages go down. Who wins? The bottom line..except it isn't OUR bottom line. Our balance sheets go further into the red as wages get cut and the cost of living goes up.]
Follow the money for the reason why this agenda is being pushed so hard. It isn't about "jobsamericanswontdo" or "doingwhatisright" or any of the other bleeding heart phrases.

They provide essential services.

They "provide" nothing, and take away from you and me. I could write a book on this; in fact, it has been done.

Bush has proposed a guest worker program that would eliminate illegal labors.

I love your logic. I could declare all felons in prisons as "guest citizens" and set them free. What would change besides the nomenclature? Logic of a fool. [Oh yes, if Buchanan supports it, then it is automatically bad out of hand?]

we need them and they need us..

You got half of it right.

84 posted on 02/03/2005 6:10:04 AM PST by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: bayourod

"Which wages? Gardeners? Roofers? Car Washers? Immigrants coming here for minimum wage jobs don't drive down wages of anyone except people in those same minimum wage jobs, not doctors and lawyers."

Ok, you just proved to everyone on this BB how ignorant you are to what's rerally going on.

Right now...illegals have driven the wages down in framing houses in CT from $18.00 per hour...to about $8.00 Now a moron would THINK this is a good thing....where-as in reality..... now you can't make a living framing houses in Ct anymore unless you are shacked up with 15 other people living in a hobbit house...like the illegals do. This also has the effect of driving legitimate business men (contractors) out of work. They are either forced to hire illegals...or are run out of business....being under bid at every job. The State loses tax revenue. The government loses tax revenue. The savings are rarely passed on to the homeowner. And.....since you've concluded in one of your previous posts that "we can not seal the borders"....what do you think will happen when these "illegals" are made legal?

Right. The scumbag employees will fire their asses off the job site....and hire more illegals.

It amases me you are even able to tie your shoes by yourself in the morning...or...perhaps you have an illegal do that for you.


173 posted on 02/04/2005 5:54:01 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: bayourod

"President Bush is addressing the immigration situation in the most responsible way, just as he has all other issues."

Wrong. Predident Bush is selling out the American Tradesmen and the American blue collar worker.

It's as plain as day.


174 posted on 02/04/2005 5:55:58 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: bayourod
President Bush is addressing the immigration situation in the most responsible way, just as he has all other issues.

No he is not. If he was he would tell Vicente Fox and his corrupt cohorts to fix that country up. And he would also mention just once who will be paying the costs of the guest workers ---- such as who pays their medical care and who pays to educate their families. Hint -- it's not their government and it's not their employers.

176 posted on 02/04/2005 6:03:51 AM PST by FITZ
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