Posted on 02/02/2005 11:06:49 PM PST by DoughtyOne
Be my guest.
Many of you FReepers on this very thread complain that immigrants (not just the illegal ones) drive down our wages and take our jobs but then you simultaneously bitch when business OWNERS take their capital and move it into another country, creating jobs there.
So, which was one was it, my fellow believer in Christ (assumption)?
Yours is just another example of using Mexican immigrants as scapegoats.
Once these newly-legalized "guest workers" become part of the formal economy, and have to be paid minimum wage plus benefits, a whole new wave of illegals will be willing to undercut them, and work for less informally. And employers will still have the same incentive to hire the new illegals as they do now -- cost savings.
At the same time, YOU are justifiably ticked off that other gov't requirements mean that anyone who hires a nanny illegally makes _you_ pay for the gov't-mandated benefits.
The problem isn't the immigration.
The problem is socialist government mandates.
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What does that have to do with anything I objected to?
Why do you support a national ID? How is that going to help you get a job?
If you ever violated a traffic law, you are as much a criminal as an out of status non citizen.
ANOTHER gem!
Keep 'em comin'!
And many of us know him as the new hero of the white supremacists and American Nazis.
That's possibly why the excerpt you just posted always gets pulled by the moderators when posted as a thread.
At least he is honest enough not to say he only opposes the "illegal" Hispanic immigrants. He opposes ALL Hispanics, even those third generation ones who haven't "assimilated".
And many of you on the other side, complain about subsidies to keep jobs here, and we have no right to a job, yet you don't see the inconsistancy. Taxpayers subsidizing your cheap labor, and illegals have no right to a job.
"If you ever violated a traffic law, you are as much a criminal as an out of status non citizen."
Lol, huh??
So according to your rationale, shoplifting is a crime only if you are caught in the act??
And btw -- "violating a traffic law" is not a federal crime...
But hmmm, just what "violation" is invading a sovereign country?
With a long tall wall designed by the Israelis.
DoughtyOne, you and the others are kinder about all this than I am. I don’t have enough time left to be pleasant. Here are some of the President’s comments and some truths of what he didn’t say.
“Members of Congress, the choices we make together will answer that question. Over the next several months, on issue after issue, let us do what Americans have always done, and build a better world for our children and our grandchildren. (Applause.)
If there is no objection from the Mexican Oligarchy.
“and in the last year alone, the United States has added 2.3 million new jobs. (Applause.)”
Entry level, low paying jobs that mostly went to illegal aliens.
“The principle here is clear: Taxpayer dollars must be spent wisely, or not at all”
Except for Mexico and various other pushers of illegal border jumpers.
“To make our economy stronger and more productive, we must make health care more affordable, and give families greater access to good coverage -”
Like we do for illegal aliens.
“America's immigration system is also outdated -- unsuited to the needs of our economy and to the values of our country. We should not be content with laws that punish hardworking people who want only to provide for their families, and deny businesses willing workers, and invite chaos at our border. It is time for an immigration policy that permits temporary guest workers to fill jobs Americans will not take, that rejects amnesty, that tells us who is entering and leaving our country, and that closes the border to drug dealers and terrorists. (Applause.)”
Name the jobs, Mr. President. You can’t.
“Today, more than 45 million Americans receive Social Security benefits, and millions more are nearing retirement -- and for them the system is sound and fiscally strong. I have a message for every American who is 55 or older: Do not let anyone mislead you; for you, the Social Security system will not change in any way.”
Swell, the 55 to 67 age group is just going to have to work and pay into the same rotten ponzi scheme. Why isn’t your plan available to ALL Americans? Oh, yes we must provide for the Mexican Totalization to give illegals SSA benefits with private accounts.
“Here's why the personal accounts are a better deal. Your money will grow, over time, at a greater rate than anything the current system can deliver -- and your account will provide money for retirement over and above the check you will receive from Social Security. In addition, you'll be able to pass along the money that accumulates in your personal account, if you wish, to your children and -- or grandchildren. And best of all, the money in the account is yours, and the government can never take it away. (Applause.)”
Except for those of you over 55! Hey, someone has to pay for the “transition”
“Personal retirement accounts should be familiar to federal employees, because you already have something similar, called the Thrift Savings Plan, which lets workers deposit a portion of their paychecks into any of five different broadly-based investment funds. It's time to extend the same security, and choice, and ownership to young Americans. (Applause.)”
Forget about those over 55, they can suffer with the same old mess. They don’t need to leave anything to their kids.
“Now we need to focus on giving young people, especially young men in our cities, better options than apathy, or gangs, or jail. Tonight I propose a three-year initiative to help organizations keep young people out of gangs, and show young men an ideal of manhood that respects women and rejects violence”
Unless of course its an armed Latino gang growing pot on National Forest land. But don’t you damned citizens get caught with a gun on Federal land...it’s a crime!
“Because one of the main sources of our national unity is our belief in equal justice, we need to make sure Americans of all races and backgrounds have confidence in the system that provides justice.”
Unless you are a criminal illegal alien, of course. You’re free to go where ever you’d like. There are too many of you to try to round up.
“Our third responsibility to future generations is to leave them an America that is safe from danger, and protected by peace. We will pass along to our children all the freedoms we enjoy -- and chief among them is freedom from fear.”
And if you fear the gangs and illegals taking over your neighborhoods, jobs, hospitals, too DAMN bad!
“We have taken unprecedented actions to protect Americans. We've created a new department of government to defend our homeland, focused the FBI on preventing terrorism, begun to reform our intelligence agencies, broken up terror cells across the country, expanded research on defenses against biological and chemical attack, improved border security”
And refused to fund the border guards mandated by a law we just signed! We had to send some of those border guards to protect Iraq! And my cabinet officers will not stand for profiling!
“There are still governments that sponsor and harbor terrorists -- but their number has declined. There are still regimes seeking weapons of mass destruction -- but no longer without attention and without consequence. Our country is still the target of terrorists who want to kill many, and intimidate us all -- and we will stay on the offensive against them, until the fight is won.”
Except for Mexico, of course. They are free to kill Americans and shoot at our border patrol, take out hits for FBI agents without a whimper from us. Be sure to get the new “how to cross the border and get the benefits from the gringos” comic book courtesy of Presidente Fox.
“Other nations around the globe have stood with us..... In the next four years, my administration will continue to build the coalitions that will defeat the dangers of our time. (Applause.)”
Except for Mexico, of course.
“If whole regions of the world remain in despair and grow in hatred, they will be the recruiting grounds for terror, and that terror will stalk America and other free nations for decades. America will stand with the allies of freedom to support democratic movements in the Middle East and beyond, with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world.”
Except for Mexico.
“Our aim is to build and preserve a community of free and independent nations, with governments that answer to their citizens, and reflect their own cultures. And because democracies respect their own people and their neighbors, the advance of freedom will lead to peace. (Applause.)”
With the exception of Mexico. We need their peasants for our elite to feel “compassionate” by paying them below minimum wage to clean the toilets and to line the pockets of special interests groups who keep us in office!
“I say tonight: As you stand for your own liberty, America stands with you. (Applause.)”
Except the Mexican people. Cut our grass and shut up
In addition to that, Texas is one of four states nationwide that offers in-state tuition to illegal aliens. The others are New York, California, and Utah.
Consistency check error:
"Which wages? Gardeners? Roofers? Car Washers? Immigrants coming here for minimum wage jobs don't drive down wages of anyone except people in those same minimum wage jobs, not doctors and lawyers."
"Illegal immigrants make more than minimum wage because they perform more valuable jobs than taking orders at McDonalds. Laborers start at about $10 an hour here."
Traffic law violations, other than serious ones like DUI and reckless driving, are "infractions".
Entering illegally is a "misdemeanor".
Posessing and using forged documents in support of your illegal stay is most likely a "felony".
Infractions..misdemeanors..and felonies. Get it?
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