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C Train Is Back, Years Ahead of 1st Estimate
NY Times ^ | February 2, 2005 | SEWELL CHAN

Posted on 02/02/2005 1:33:13 PM PST by neverdem

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1 posted on 02/02/2005 1:33:13 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

So it's not that the repair was a Herculean effort done in a fraction of the time needed, but that whoever estimated the repair time should be fired?


2 posted on 02/02/2005 1:34:42 PM PST by Darkwolf377
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3 posted on 02/02/2005 1:34:52 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
This is good news.

I notice the A train is still out of service, though . . . that's the one affectionately called "the Mugga Mova" by Guardian Angels founder and current New York talk radio host Curtis Sliwa.

4 posted on 02/02/2005 1:38:25 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert.)
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To: neverdem

Nothing like good ole union labor...

nikos


5 posted on 02/02/2005 1:39:29 PM PST by nikos1121
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To: neverdem
When I used to do maintenance on mainframes, if a machine went down, there was always a customer type, usually a manager type, would ask about every 5 minutes when it would be up.
After a while I just responded, "5 minutes after I figure out what is actually wrong". It actually worked. Sometimes things just take a while to figure out.
Worked on a software bug, the geeks will like. The system was randomly going bonkers. If you remember assembly language there were quite a few instructions that had multiple exit points (P+1,P+2, even p+3 for a compare instruction). Anyway the guy who wrote the code used an Increment and Skip on Zero instruction to increment a counter. When doing so, you usually put a NOP after the Increment command. Yup, he missed that one, so every time the disk system took it's 65535th interrupt, BOOM. Of course when this would happen was very variable based on system load. That one took almost 5 solid days!
And you thought it was PTSD from being in Vietnam :)
6 posted on 02/02/2005 1:47:59 PM PST by ProudVet77 (Survivor of the great blizzard of aught five)
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To: Alberta's Child

It used to be, buy there's about one serious felony in the subways per day now, post Rudy. That stat hasn't been mentioned by Curtis because he's too fond of the notoriety he earned leading the GAs onto the subways years ago. He doesn't really admit that is was Jack Maple not Curtis Sliwa who turned the subways around crimewise. As for the talk show bit, while Curtis is entertaining he's so nutty he makes Ron Kuby sound reasonable. BTW, if the DUmmies at Air America had any brains they'd hire Kuby in a heart beat. But the Commie that Kuby is, he still recognizes that WABCs checks are bigger and they're honored at the bank.


7 posted on 02/02/2005 1:51:16 PM PST by xkaydet65
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To: neverdem

The repair workers probably use the trains.
3 to 5 years is dismal..


8 posted on 02/02/2005 2:08:26 PM PST by Darksheare (Trolls beware, the icy hands of the forum wraith are behind you!)
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To: xkaydet65

Forget the nuttiness, forget the politics, and all that . . . Curtis Sliwa is one of THE BEST talk show hosts in the business. I say that as a serious talk radio listener who has a pretty good feel for that whole industry.


9 posted on 02/02/2005 2:17:25 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert.)
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To: neverdem

I took the A train down from Penn Station on Thursday at the rush hour. It was moving OK, but it was packed as full as a can of sardines, much fuller than usual.

We went by the underground control room next to Chambers Street station, and once again it was all lit up and full of hard hats working.

Sometimes I'm the only white guy on the car, but I've never had any problems.


10 posted on 02/02/2005 4:08:34 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Darkwolf377
So it's not that the repair was a Herculean effort done in a fraction of the time needed, but that whoever estimated the repair time should be fired?

They were just pullin' a Scotty the Enterprise Engineer move.

11 posted on 02/02/2005 4:09:34 PM PST by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999!)
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To: Cicero
Sometimes I'm the only white guy on the car, but I've never had any problems.

When I was living in NYC, I used to take the A from High Street(the last stop in Bklyn) to mid-town Manhattan. One morning as I entered the subway a black man announced to the packed car that "the ethnicity of this car has changed". His racist remark got no reaction from his fellow passengers, much to their credit.

12 posted on 02/02/2005 4:30:07 PM PST by nycgal
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To: Alberta's Child
I notice the A train is still out of service, though . . .

Really? It hasn't been out of service except for a few hours after the fire. Service was cut down for about a week, but it wasn't totally out of service -- that was the C.

13 posted on 02/02/2005 5:13:40 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (www.Hillary-Watch.org)
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To: nycgal
When I was living in NYC, I used to take the A from High Street(the last stop in Bklyn) to mid-town Manhattan. One morning as I entered the subway a black man announced to the packed car that "the ethnicity of this car has changed". His racist remark got no reaction from his fellow passengers, much to their credit.

This is true. I remember taking the 3 uptown from Wall Street back in the early 90s and one evening (rush hour) near City Hall (probably the Park Place station), some deranged guy got on the packed car and started ranting about the Central Park jogger who was raped. Blamed it all on her and was screeching about "white bitches want it from the black man, but then scream rape to cover their desires." Right away, a few of the businessman types in the car surrounded me, so the lunatic couldn't get anywhere near me.

Other than that, I've never noticed any racial tensions in the subways.

14 posted on 02/02/2005 5:16:31 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (www.Hillary-Watch.org)
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To: nycgal
When I was living in NYC, I used to take the A from High Street(the last stop in Bklyn) to mid-town Manhattan.

High Street was my stop when I was a single guy living in Brooklyn-- a long time ago.

15 posted on 02/02/2005 5:17:18 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Darkwolf377; neverdem
So it's not that the repair was a Herculean effort done in a fraction of the time needed, but that whoever estimated the repair time should be fired?

No, no, no, no, no, no!

Didn't you ever watch the original Star Trek and their movies? Remember Scotty? He always inflated his repair estimates. "How else would he look like a miracle worker?"

Seriously, you always want the worst case scenario as a first estimate. Everything from there is good news. the problem came in in the way the worst case scenario was communicated as THE estimate.

The interesting thing to me about this was that the original pessimistic estimate was coupled with discussion of the "much needed" modernization of the signaling system. I'd say that this rapid repair job kind of argues against that now. If a computerized signaling system had been involved in a serious fire like this one it would have been worse than the original worst case estimate, let alone anywhere near the actual repair time. That is unless they did a really good job of designing a distributed and redundent system.

But they'd probably base that on Windows. The day that happens is the day I swear never to ride the NY subway again.

16 posted on 02/02/2005 5:31:19 PM PST by Phsstpok ("When you don't know where you are, but you don't care, you're not lost, you're exploring.")
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To: neverdem
If you listen to the NYTimes, this whole thing is but a mosquito, a little nuisance. The repair estimate of six to nine months was "only" that, and, thereby, this "nine days and 15 hours" is downright meaningless.

Sheeeit. There shouldn't have been a minute of delay. Nine minutes, nine hours, nine months -- or nine years -- are entirely insane given the source of it all, which the Times has been scampering about trying to hide.

This article is bile.

Nicollo unmasked: Bromleyisms here

17 posted on 02/02/2005 6:41:56 PM PST by nicollo
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To: nycgal
High Street is my station. Last weekend I visited my brother who lives on the Upper West Side (yes, he is a commie!), and C wasn't running, the A wasn't going into Brooklyn, and neither were the 2 or 3. I had to transfer at 14th Street to the F train (icky long corridors and labyrinthian passage) and got off at Jay.

(nycgal, I remember from several years ago that you were a fellow Concord Village denizen.)

18 posted on 02/02/2005 7:04:30 PM PST by HateBill (Democratic Message: "Kiss Terrorist A*s" vs. Republican Message: "Kick Terrorist A*s")
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To: Lurking Libertarian
High Street was my stop when I was a single guy living in Brooklyn-- a long time ago.

Did you live in Concord Village?

19 posted on 02/03/2005 8:23:07 AM PST by nycgal
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To: HateBill

I'm so glad I don't have to deal with the subways anymore but then I now have to deal with So Cal freeways:)


20 posted on 02/03/2005 8:26:07 AM PST by nycgal
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