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1 posted on 02/02/2005 12:29:39 PM PST by xsysmgr
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I hope it is approved, because that is less money for Washington to spend (our money) and more money that can be realized when we retire. I see this as a FIRST step in reducing the government's control over our money and our future.

If I had my way, I would end social in a way as to grandfather in the young workers in America, and let attrition end the SS payments for we older folks. Let the people in America KEEP their OWN money and protect it, and certainly keep it out of the hands of the leftist liberals that feed on it.


2 posted on 02/02/2005 12:33:47 PM PST by EagleUSA
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Never underestimate the political allure of "being for what's gonna happen."

Sounds like we can count on the Hildebeast.

3 posted on 02/02/2005 12:34:25 PM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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A compromise position that the GOP should offer would be to create personal accounts for each SS payer that can only be invested in government bonds. The catch here would be that it would be EXACTLY as risky as it supposedly is now.

The Dims are really not afraid of the stock market, they are afraid of losing control of our money... This would call their bluff. If they went for it (they won't) we could just amend it in a couple of years to allow some investment in stocks, followed shortly after by full investment in stocks...

4 posted on 02/02/2005 12:36:01 PM PST by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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It's a funny subject,everybody I have talked too under 40 loves it. Everybody over 40 is scared to death of it.


5 posted on 02/02/2005 12:37:53 PM PST by cmsgop
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No darnit, I want to continue to "invest" in a "company" which pays a 2% return, has zero retained earnings after 60 years in "business", has a huge contingent liability, has zero assets, is 100% leveraged, pays zero dividends, couldn't get a loan from a bank because of fiscal irresponsibility, is in a loss position, and if I die prior to payout, retains my stock by default.


6 posted on 02/02/2005 12:38:52 PM PST by wayoverontheright
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I don't pretend to be an expert on this issue but instead of allowing private investment in Social Security why not raise the limits on say IRA's so it would encourage people could save more for their retirement? Just a thought...


8 posted on 02/02/2005 12:40:58 PM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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IMHO, the hope of personal accounts is the only thing keeping this market from sinking into the abyss. If it passes and that's a big "if", there is immediately increased demand.


10 posted on 02/02/2005 12:41:39 PM PST by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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All this fuss over 2% of my SS money.
They act like the plan is to make the whole thing available...

Why, what a great idea!

15 posted on 02/02/2005 12:52:44 PM PST by grobdriver (Let the embeds check the bodies!)
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Does it have to be stocks?

How about CDs, T-bills, bonds etc.? Or combo of some or all - the way corps and institutions offer retirement plans to their employees now?


19 posted on 02/02/2005 1:04:30 PM PST by Let's Roll (Democrats - What happens when mental illness manifests itself as a political party.)
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Reason #2a: explained in greater detail...

Take a life-long minimum wage earner. Social security will pay him about a third of his monthly pay when he retires. That is, to say, Social Security will pay him 1/3 of minimum wage. Period.

Take that same life-long $5.25/hour employee, give him his 14.2% premium, long term stock market returns, and 45 years of compounding, and he can retire with a $Million annuity.

It doesn't take a high school diploma to tell you which plan is better for your average fry cook. But there are a couple hundred democrat congressmen that'll tell you they know better. Don't buy their claims of doom and irresponsibility. It's your money...demand a choice!

26 posted on 02/02/2005 1:47:59 PM PST by Fredgoblu
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Everything sound great except for one thing. Where does the money come from?

Every cent, plus much more, is being spent at this time. I've yet to hear of any budget cuts to offset money that would be invested from payroll taxes. So we are just going to borrow more? Borrowing money to invest? What am I missing.
27 posted on 02/02/2005 1:59:48 PM PST by self_evident
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I saw a dem commenting on FOX who said that because Bush didn't get the majority of the young people voting for him - and that Bush got a higher majority of older people - who are against the changes in SS - the dems are convinced they have the younger vote on the SS issue.

However .. they have obviously overlooked or ignored a poll of that same demographic of voters who have voted overwhelmingly in support of the change in SS - to allow personal accounts.

Poor dems .. in their haste to block everything Bush proposes - they ignore reality.


29 posted on 02/02/2005 3:20:35 PM PST by CyberAnt (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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