They support this though
Posted on 02/01/2005 1:20:58 PM PST by dianaA
The Faculty Senate of the University of Wisconsin at Platteville has just become the first faculty of an American University to vote to divest from Israel.
(Excerpt) Read more at petitiononline.com ...
Hey - UW-Platteville is the K-Mart of the UW System, and the UW-System campuses and The University of Wisconsin at Madison are not to be confused. This would be on the order of equating Harvard and DeVry Institute.
Maybe the taxpayers of Wisconsin should divest themselves of the Univ. of Wisconsin.
Meanwhile, they can move the funds into helping the Palestinians train more suicide bombers/freedom fighters to blow up evil Israeli civilians.
I'm going to guess that Israel won't be financially crippled if some stock is sold. That's a bit of melodrama.
http://www.pcusa.org/israelandjewishrelations/moderator.htm
Cheesehead Nazis
Yours is a shockingly utilitarian view for a Christian, and, I presume, a presbyterian pastor, to take.
To be sure, the Presbyterian Church and the U of W can sell their stock and Israel will survive. That will not, however, make the actions of either the PCUSA or the UW faculty senate morally defensible.
Israel is opposed by enemies, Hamas and Islamic Jihad and the PA-sponsored Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade that take the position that the Arabs have the right to sovereignty but the Jews do not. In response, Israel has used measured, moderate, trageted responses. It has not gone in as the government of , say, Syria, does, to wipe out entire villages. No. The IDF carefully targets identified terrorists. And, yes, sometimes when you shoot at a terrorist you hit a child. This is not the same as targeting children, which is what Hamas is doing.
Nor is the Israeli position, which can be summed up as: let us have our little state and you can have your 23 great, big Arab Muslim states. At all the same as the Arab position , which is, we get all 23 Arab Muslim states plus we get to destroy and steal your little Jewish State.
Only people lacking moral judgement fail to see the injustice of the Presbyterian Church in divesting from Israel, while failing to criticize the Arab Muslim states and organizations that seek to destroy the world's only Jewish state.
The University as well as the Presbyterian Church raise some interesting legal issues.
First, the fiduciary duty of those directing investment based on political criteria. There's an opening for the legal community here, since investment decisions are always judged in retrospect.
And the similarity of the UW's actions to the Arab boycott of Israel. Participating in the Arab boycott is illegal. It would appear to me to be a fine line.
LOL! My sister and brother-in-law chose not to go to UW-Madison (late sixties/early seventies) because they were infested with hippies and chose UW-Platteville because it wasn't. PU, at the time (and probably still is) is known for their engineering and mining majors.
bump!
How do you know it really happened? Is there a news story or an annoncement?
You link points to petition about ISM.
So your answer is, go ahead and screw with Israel, our Middle Eastern ally facing Palestinian Arab terrorism, because it won't hurt them anyway?
You are twisted. Would a protest march of activists in front of your church each Sunday holding signs calling you "Jew Haters" be ok because it is just symbolic?
Even if it were symbolic action, symbolic actions can hurt. A protest march is symbolic. A flag burning is symbolic. The pie tossed in Bill Gates' face was symbolic. Symbolic actions can have great effect. Your movement's boycott of Israel already has served to validate a University of Wisconsin campus' decision to do the same.
Why do you persist in defending your church's craven actions by infantilizing them? Saying things like they won't have any effect anyway, or suggesting that we boycott the Palestinian Arabs too, don't provide a defense to your church's decision to turn its back on our ally Israel, in its time of need.
You should be ashamed.
The UW boycott may be a fine line. In my opinion the PCUSA has clearly crossed the line. The anti-boycott law prohibits joining a foreign boycott. In the case of the PCUSA, there is an existing anti-Israel boycott, and the decision of the executive council (whatever they call themselves) was taken after a presentation by a Palestinian Arab at the national meeting, thereby tying the boycott to foreign influence.
I hope someone brings suit agains the Church for violating federal law.
What about PCUSA members who endorse their joining the anti-Israel boycott?
You ought to consider the more reasoned analysis of the Israel-Palestine situation, as opposed to your shrill denunciation of all who don't share your perspective, laid out by others on this and similar threads, re: Condi's position on a two state scenario. {You had pinged me to this thread from the Condi thread if you recall).
Israelis and Palestinians alike favor a two state scenario.
The Bush Administration favors a two state solution.
To reiterate my previously stated position - if a 'state of Palestine' doesn't stop terrorist violence launched against Israel, then Israel has a nation-state with which to contend not amorphous 'refugees,' 'occupied territories,' etc.
It seems you drew me onto this thread in order to get me to post something to allow you to lash out at the PCUSA; Condi Rice, whoever seems to be drawing your ire. I hope you feel better.
The issue of a two-state or one-state solution is a red herring. I don't believe that I brought it up in my posts to you.
My point is that Israel is in an extraordinarily difficult situation because of Palestinian Arab terrorists who are trying to kill its citizens.
By voting to cut investments in companies that do business with Israel, your church has chosen to side with the terrorists.
Whether a one-state or a two-state solution is found, I hope that people remember the craven response of the PCUSA to America's ally, Israel, in its hour of need.
I pinged you because I wanted to make sure that you saw that other institutions are now following the lead of your church in attempting to put Israel -- and only Israel -- outside of the community of nations. I wanted you to understand the consequences of your church's reckless actions.
I don't feel better. I will feel better if your church disavows its attempts to demonize Israel and once again becomes a reflection of American values.
The difference is, Israel is not an apatheid state. This is anti-semitism, pure and simple. Israel = strong Jews defending themselves. Some people just can't live with that.
Not the first time leftist Christians have shown hostility to Jews.
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