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1 posted on 02/01/2005 4:58:13 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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But on Sunday, we caught a glimpse of the flip side. We could finally see signs that a majority of the Iraqi people perceive something to be gained from this brave new world we are forcing on them.

This is the part I really can't understand from the right-wing, pro-America, patriotic crowd. What kind of modern country would force, force freedom on people?

The kind I'm proud to be associated with, that's what kind.

Anyone who could write a sentence like the one I quoted needs a serious look at the assumptions that rule his life.

Shalom. Shalom.

43 posted on 02/01/2005 5:32:22 AM PST by ArGee (After 517, the abolition of man is complete)
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.....If you fit the previously stated profile.....

You are a lazy mindless leftist propaganda stuffed rind headed imbecile who is unworthy of being called an American.


44 posted on 02/01/2005 5:32:34 AM PST by bert (Freedom trumps Peace.)
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"Most of the obstacles to success in Iraq are all still there, the ones that have always led me to believe that we would eventually be forced to leave the country with our tail tucked between our legs."

Yep, the 'rats and the MSM are still working to undermine our country, doing everything in their power to force us to leave with our tail tucked between our legs.


46 posted on 02/01/2005 5:33:54 AM PST by Max Combined
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Keep it up Mr Journalist and we'll invite you to the unveiling of the Great W's statue in Baghdad.


49 posted on 02/01/2005 5:36:16 AM PST by aculeus
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I'll forgive him when people of his ilk admit that they've added to the death toll in Iraq by their anti-freedom rhetoric. If they had supported our efforts from the start this would have been much easier. Until then he can stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
50 posted on 02/01/2005 5:38:04 AM PST by whershey (www.worldwar4.net)
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As nice as this was to read, there was something rather self-congratulatory about it. Only when there is undeniable evidence of success in Iraq does this guy turn and he does it in such a way as to say: "Hey, look at me! I'm open-minded!"

My response:

"Thanks for nothing pal. You and your kind have tried to undermine this process from the very beginning, inflating every set-back and ignoring any step towards progress. You jumped on the bogus yellow cake story and ignored the stories showing that Wilson lied. You proclaimed the genius of Fahrenheit 9/11. You threw off accusations like "Bush Lied" even though he was saying about the WMD's exactly what every other leader - including Clinton, Gore, and Kerry - has said."

"And now that the Iraqi people have showed more guts in their little finger than you have shown in your whole miserable body throughout the sorry existence of your life, you're willing to concede that maybe, just maybe, you were wrong and Bush was right."

"F-U pal and the horse you rode in on."

53 posted on 02/01/2005 5:40:52 AM PST by PMCarey
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"Going to war still sent so many terrible messages to the world."


You're damn right it did! Terrible in the eyes of those who want to see us fall. It told the world that this country buried its head in the sand for too damned long - and we're not putting up with this bull$h!t anymore!

This article, if genuine in the writer's message conveyed, gives me a glimmer of hope that at least SOME of the $h!t-for-brains neighsayers and Bush-bashers might - just MIGHT - be able to pull their heads outta their asses long enough to smell the sweet aroma - of REALITY.


58 posted on 02/01/2005 5:43:47 AM PST by Don Simmons (Annoy a liberal: Work hard; Prosper; Be Happy.)
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Obviously, I'm still curious to see if Bush is willing to allow the Iraqis to install a government that is free to kick us out or to oppose our other foreign policy efforts in the region.

Some on the left will only be happy if we are "kicked out" and "opposed on our other foreign policy efforts". Sad.

59 posted on 02/01/2005 5:43:55 AM PST by FairWitness
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It is becoming more obvious that liberals have been wrong about nearly every major issue for the last 60 years. They still believe with their hearts and, uh, hearts that they are intellectually superior to conservatives whom they believe are feral and simple-minded. Were they now to do an about-face on such a central issue as The Iraqi War they would have to re-examine their positions on myriad issues. This they cannot take this as superior human beings.
One star to the author of this article for at least facing the possibility.


62 posted on 02/01/2005 5:47:08 AM PST by Inwoodian
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I've been saying all along that Iraq is not another Vietnam. The insurgency in Iraq is not being generously supplied with weapons and supplies by the old Soviet Union, as was North Vietnam. We are cutting off the sources of supplies for the insurgents and steadily capturing their existing weapons and ammunition. They know they are fighting a superior and overwhelming force. The insurgents are going to grow much weaker this year if we continue our heroic efforts, and by the end of this year we and the Iraqi people will win.


63 posted on 02/01/2005 5:47:09 AM PST by carl in alaska (The mission for today is golf. The mission code word is "Julius Boros".....)
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... with Iraq becoming an Islamic state every bit as hostile to our national interests as was Saddam.

Wait a minute... Didn't the libs say Saddam wasn't a threat??

65 posted on 02/01/2005 5:47:39 AM PST by 14erClimb
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He starts with the wrong premise. We did not invade Iraq to bring Democracy to the people of Iraq (that is just an added benefit). We invaded Iraq to remove a base of support to those that wish us harm.

In order for terrorist to be effective, especially international terrorist, they need safe places to train, and even rest.

We took Afghanistan away from them, and now we have taken Iraq from them. Yes it is true they can still find friends, those friends can not be as open as before, and they must be asking themself do they want to end up like Osama living in some cave somewhere, or Saddam, in jail waiting to be tried?

The remaining dictators still hate us and wish us dead, but they are lacking the means to do this in such a way that they would not end up paying the price for helping the terrorist.

Each day since 9/11 our security and intelligence gets better. It was not hard to keep secrets in the Middle East before 9/11, we just were not paying much attention. Well we are paying attention now, and we have all types of intelligence gathering capabilities at work

It may still be possible for a nation state to assist a group of terrorist in committing another 9/11, but the difference now is we have 100,000 combat veterans just hours from any nation state that is foolish enough to get involved. Plus we have a leader that has made it clear he does not bluff.

This is what Iraq was all about, not last Sunday's election. It is good that the people of Iraq or on the road to Democracy, but that was not our goal.

The left does not see that because they don't want to see it. And this is why President Bush is not talking an exit strategy, because the only way we will exit the area is when we have removed the capabilities of the terrorist from striking us and our allies.

Terrorism requires more then an individual willing to die. The lone terrorist has a long tail of support, safe house, places to train, and all this requires money and the cooperation of a nation state. The war on terror is designed to attack the support structure more then it is to kill the individual terrorist.

This administration knows this, I just wish the MSM knew this as well.

66 posted on 02/01/2005 5:48:11 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN
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"Maybe I'd have to vote Republican in 2008."

First crack in the Liberal Dam. Watch the Demodogs in Washington run around and try to plug the holes in the coming weeks!

There will be billions of homeless people suddenly discovered in the US, tthere will be millions of testimonials from old people about evil Republicans stealing their God-Given rights to Social Security, there will be hundreds of thousands of new revelations about voter disenfranchisement in Ohio and we will even find out that thousands of minorities were gunned down and buried in a mass grave to stop them from voting, and finally Abu Grab(sp) and Guantanamo will be revelaed to be the locations of super secret government experimental labs where we tortured, maimed and dismembered innocent Freedon Fighters.

Grab some popcorn because the main feature is about to start!

67 posted on 02/01/2005 5:48:30 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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The writer is one of many who perfectly fit the theme of a Bishop Sheen talk many years ago. The title of the talk was THE INSTANT WORLD IN WHICH WE LIVE." That is the world of Instant Coffee, Instant Tea, Instant Reply, and instant success of all public policy.

There is a lack of understanding that life is a slow process (you can't give the newborn baby 250 gallons of milk to hold it over for the first year!). The media pimps of the election industry predict and anticipate an outcome of public policy that they wish to occur. They seldom wait until the policy has been implemented and report the results. In a sense, most of them believe that they are Johnny Carson's KARNAC THE MAGNIFICENT!
70 posted on 02/01/2005 5:52:44 AM PST by leprechaun9
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What you mean "if", Kimosabe?


71 posted on 02/01/2005 5:52:49 AM PST by exit82 (Ted Kennedy--swimming in lies since 1969.)
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"And if you were with the president from the start, I've already got your blood boiling."

Uh, no, you didn't. In fact, I'm willing to bet no one here's blood was boiling at this point in the article. We're subjected to infinitely worse almost all of the time, and even inherently there wasn't all that much up to that point to get angry about. I don't know what this guy's mental image of Republicans is, but it obviously bears no resemblance to reality.

Qwinn


76 posted on 02/01/2005 5:59:31 AM PST by Qwinn
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We are going to have a lot of "mea-culpas" like this in the future. It's just like all the Dems wishing for the easy days of the cold-war, when we were all united (sic) against the commies. Of course they neglect the fact that people like Skerry and Rum Blossom Dodd were kissing up to the Sandys, and were making speeches hoping for the Commies to win in South America.


77 posted on 02/01/2005 6:01:21 AM PST by sharkhawk (I really have to stop surfing at DU.)
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And if you were with the president from the start, I've already got your blood boiling.

Don't flatter yourself. It takes a lot more than your self-analytical drivel to get us boiling. The more your party rants, the more desensitized we become to the lesser of it. That's why it keeps escalating in volume and vitriol. People just aren't paying attention to your group anymore.

79 posted on 02/01/2005 6:04:05 AM PST by prairiebreeze (George W Bush: Spending well-earned political capital.)
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(I've maintained from the start that if you were impressed by the demonstrations in the streets of Baghdad when we arrived, wait until you see how they celebrate our departure, no matter the circumstances.)

How will you know what reaction the majority of Iraqis have if all you ever use to get your information is CNN, CBS and the AP? Idiot liberal.

82 posted on 02/01/2005 6:07:38 AM PST by prairiebreeze (George W Bush: Spending well-earned political capital.)
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John Stewert pondered last night "What if they were right?" (they being Bush and Co.). He said his whole world view would be turned on its head. I think the pictures of all the joyous, hopeful and brave Iraqis hir a lot of people upside the head for a minute.

But no fear, I'm sure most of them will be back to their anti-Bush screech in a few days. It will come boiling back up. Too bad to live like that, glad its not me.

I do think some fence sitters will be persuaded.

I'm glad the parents/loved ones of the 1400+ military killed in Iraq got to see the Iraqis vote, I hope that gives them some iota of comfort for what their loved ones were doing.


84 posted on 02/01/2005 6:09:10 AM PST by eyespysomething (I'm speechless here, but don't worry, it won't last long. Ask my husband.)
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