Posted on 02/01/2005 4:58:13 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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Many Liberals like the ideas of freedom and democracy too. It's their hatred against Bush that makes them blind... However, I think only the hard core Bush haters that were not moved by the images from Iraqi election.
I like your thinking :-)
What I find troublesome in his words is a coomon democrat/liberal notion, and that is the lives lost are only validated by succes on the liberal's terms.
I can't think that way. See if this anaology below explains my irritation with the above thought process
If someone jumps in a torrent to save a drowning soul, and they both lose their lives, in spite of the effort made, then the saver has died in vain, and his sacrifice has no meaning? The drowning victim didn't want, or know that he needed the saver's help, so the saver was wrong to try to help him?
Using the same analogy, even if the saver succeeds, and gets the drowner to the riverbank, it couls till be a failure if the drowner turns out to be a suicide, and jumps bavk into the torrent.
Anyway, the way I see life, those sacricing their lives are great because of the effort, and no matter what the outcome, they are heroes. Whether they succeed or not has nothing to do it.
In any rescue effort, one does not stop to calculate the risks, and be sure of a desired outsome before making a risky effort. Just remember where we might all be if Jesus had thought the liberal way, never mind if his blessed mother had.
Just my pre-caffeine mental meanderings... be gentle, I am only half awake.
Reads to me like he is auditioning for a job with the Washington Times or FOXNEWS.
Finally, an admission that they haven't been "supporting the troops."
If you tell a soldier that his death is just so much cannon fodder designed to gratify the urges of corrupt politicians, BEFORE you have near absolute proof of the same, then you are undermining the morale of the soldier, his family, and his nation.
After this election our soldiers know for sure....the lives lost were given for a noble purpose. It's never good to lose a loved one. But if one can extract some meaning from it, it does eventually provide some bit of comfort to their family.
Of course the signs were there from the minute we entered Iraq, but I am impressed that this man is willing to reconsider what clearly has been a well entrenched attitude.
GASP! You mean....you guys might have been wrong??
Say it ain't so!
I wish I could see the looks on the faces of Hillary, Kerry, and Dean when they read this.
No doubt there are quite a few 'Mark Brown's' out there thinking the same thing. But you know, as well as I, that the Democrat Party and the MSM has 'bet-the-house' on Iraq to fail... to become our second Viet Nam and send the Republican Party into oblivion.
Instead of giving Bush praise yesterday for the successful elections, they drafted a 'Pre-buttal' speech for his State-of-the-Union aaddress.
Sedition... once decided upon... is impossible to stop.
I used to like Jon Stewart until shortly after the day that he made the comment "I'm somewhat conservative...not all Republicans are bad" at which point his guest and the audience boo'ed him.
Ever since, he turned hard left to suck up to them.
Dennis Miller did the opposite. When he expressed his conservative thought and was boo'ed, he essentially said "Hey up yours!" and grew MORE conservative in his speech.
He is essentially a libertarian, but that is about as conservative as they get in the media.
Thanks for the Jon Stewart update.
Very interesting.
Verrrrrrrrrrrrry interesting.
You have to read this one.
Ooh, good catch on the "rabble".
"I don't do committees."--Condi Rice, when questioned about pushing through changes at Stanford without consulting the academics.
Oh dear, now I am thinking about Teddy adn Chappaquidick. Anyone want to compare that tragedy to his thinking regarding Iraq?
Not sure my brain is up to it yet.
Most Republicans had a "moment" when they realized that conservatism and the right-wing was, in fact, a better way despite our previous beliefs.
Most Liberals are not intelligent enough or self-examining enough to have that moment. Some are though. Some of us here prove it.
Not at all, Mark. Welcome to the party. Better late than never. Eventually people are going to have to come around and see the reality of the advancement of Iraq. Mark is early on that trend.
Going to war still sent so many terrible messages to the world.
But he still clings to this old nugget. The message we sent is that corrupt dictators cannot thumb their noses at the Civilized World and support terrorists, and that there will be consequences to lawless behaviour. Why is this a terrible message to send?
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