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What if Bush has been right about Iraq all along? (Misunderestimation of the Democra-nator Alert)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 2/1/2005 | Mark Brown

Posted on 02/01/2005 4:58:13 AM PST by Rutles4Ever

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To: ArGee

My son has been in Iraq this past year and is due to come home soon. I have gone into near apoplexy during this past year's campaign season listening to the democratic politicians bad-mouthing the sacrifice of our troops.

I found it easy to believe that old-school democrats like Zell Miller abandoned the party. Many others have done the same, and others like Sam Nunn simply kept silent through it all.

"This is not your father's democratic party."


61 posted on 02/01/2005 5:46:26 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Rutles4Ever

It is becoming more obvious that liberals have been wrong about nearly every major issue for the last 60 years. They still believe with their hearts and, uh, hearts that they are intellectually superior to conservatives whom they believe are feral and simple-minded. Were they now to do an about-face on such a central issue as The Iraqi War they would have to re-examine their positions on myriad issues. This they cannot take this as superior human beings.
One star to the author of this article for at least facing the possibility.


62 posted on 02/01/2005 5:47:08 AM PST by Inwoodian
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To: Rutles4Ever

I've been saying all along that Iraq is not another Vietnam. The insurgency in Iraq is not being generously supplied with weapons and supplies by the old Soviet Union, as was North Vietnam. We are cutting off the sources of supplies for the insurgents and steadily capturing their existing weapons and ammunition. They know they are fighting a superior and overwhelming force. The insurgents are going to grow much weaker this year if we continue our heroic efforts, and by the end of this year we and the Iraqi people will win.


63 posted on 02/01/2005 5:47:09 AM PST by carl in alaska (The mission for today is golf. The mission code word is "Julius Boros".....)
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To: ohioWfan

Agree. It's kinda like somebody commits murder, then says "oops, I'm sorry...my bad" and expects all will be okay again. In this guy's case, he is far, far too casual with his musings and ruminations. Let him wear sackcloth and ashes and crawl on his knees and agonize inside himself for awhile. THEN come back for another try...


64 posted on 02/01/2005 5:47:32 AM PST by txrangerette
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To: Rutles4Ever
... with Iraq becoming an Islamic state every bit as hostile to our national interests as was Saddam.

Wait a minute... Didn't the libs say Saddam wasn't a threat??

65 posted on 02/01/2005 5:47:39 AM PST by 14erClimb
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To: Rutles4Ever
He starts with the wrong premise. We did not invade Iraq to bring Democracy to the people of Iraq (that is just an added benefit). We invaded Iraq to remove a base of support to those that wish us harm.

In order for terrorist to be effective, especially international terrorist, they need safe places to train, and even rest.

We took Afghanistan away from them, and now we have taken Iraq from them. Yes it is true they can still find friends, those friends can not be as open as before, and they must be asking themself do they want to end up like Osama living in some cave somewhere, or Saddam, in jail waiting to be tried?

The remaining dictators still hate us and wish us dead, but they are lacking the means to do this in such a way that they would not end up paying the price for helping the terrorist.

Each day since 9/11 our security and intelligence gets better. It was not hard to keep secrets in the Middle East before 9/11, we just were not paying much attention. Well we are paying attention now, and we have all types of intelligence gathering capabilities at work

It may still be possible for a nation state to assist a group of terrorist in committing another 9/11, but the difference now is we have 100,000 combat veterans just hours from any nation state that is foolish enough to get involved. Plus we have a leader that has made it clear he does not bluff.

This is what Iraq was all about, not last Sunday's election. It is good that the people of Iraq or on the road to Democracy, but that was not our goal.

The left does not see that because they don't want to see it. And this is why President Bush is not talking an exit strategy, because the only way we will exit the area is when we have removed the capabilities of the terrorist from striking us and our allies.

Terrorism requires more then an individual willing to die. The lone terrorist has a long tail of support, safe house, places to train, and all this requires money and the cooperation of a nation state. The war on terror is designed to attack the support structure more then it is to kill the individual terrorist.

This administration knows this, I just wish the MSM knew this as well.

66 posted on 02/01/2005 5:48:11 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN
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To: Rutles4Ever
"Maybe I'd have to vote Republican in 2008."

First crack in the Liberal Dam. Watch the Demodogs in Washington run around and try to plug the holes in the coming weeks!

There will be billions of homeless people suddenly discovered in the US, tthere will be millions of testimonials from old people about evil Republicans stealing their God-Given rights to Social Security, there will be hundreds of thousands of new revelations about voter disenfranchisement in Ohio and we will even find out that thousands of minorities were gunned down and buried in a mass grave to stop them from voting, and finally Abu Grab(sp) and Guantanamo will be revelaed to be the locations of super secret government experimental labs where we tortured, maimed and dismembered innocent Freedon Fighters.

Grab some popcorn because the main feature is about to start!

67 posted on 02/01/2005 5:48:30 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

Good post.


68 posted on 02/01/2005 5:51:04 AM PST by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and the rest can go to hell.)
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To: ArGee
classic liberal.

I tend to agree with you. A classic liberal used to simply mean one who was "open-minded about other options."

That somehow came to mean: "One who supports wild, socialist, eugenic, and atheist options."

Any president in time of war gets a pass from me on any budget deficits. The new spending on the war that was announced last week also came with the message that this was NOT part of the planned Defense Budget.

If it's 250 billion a year for the war, and the deficit is 350-400 billion dollars, then I interpret it to mean cost of war.

I think the war is necessary, so I suck it up.

69 posted on 02/01/2005 5:52:30 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Rutles4Ever
The writer is one of many who perfectly fit the theme of a Bishop Sheen talk many years ago. The title of the talk was THE INSTANT WORLD IN WHICH WE LIVE." That is the world of Instant Coffee, Instant Tea, Instant Reply, and instant success of all public policy.

There is a lack of understanding that life is a slow process (you can't give the newborn baby 250 gallons of milk to hold it over for the first year!). The media pimps of the election industry predict and anticipate an outcome of public policy that they wish to occur. They seldom wait until the policy has been implemented and report the results. In a sense, most of them believe that they are Johnny Carson's KARNAC THE MAGNIFICENT!
70 posted on 02/01/2005 5:52:44 AM PST by leprechaun9
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To: Rutles4Ever

What you mean "if", Kimosabe?


71 posted on 02/01/2005 5:52:49 AM PST by exit82 (Ted Kennedy--swimming in lies since 1969.)
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To: Paloma_55

Nice catch Paloma.


72 posted on 02/01/2005 5:52:56 AM PST by subterfuge (Call him "Slick Willie"---he hates that.)
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To: gridlock

"Now, as progress proceeds in Iraq, the anti-war left, and by extension the Democrat Party, are seen as mindless nay-sayers, hopelessly out of touch with reality and the native American optimism. This really could lead to permanent minority status for the Democrat Party."

I don't want the Democrats to be in the minority. I want them to disappear altogether!


73 posted on 02/01/2005 5:53:46 AM PST by bowzer313
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To: txrangerette

FAR too casual.


74 posted on 02/01/2005 5:56:51 AM PST by ohioWfan (George W. Bush........AVENGER of the BONES!!)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

Your post is the best I have ever read on this subject. Thank you for putting this into words that are clear, simple, and right on target.

I hope the MSM picks up on this (those that are clear-thinking, anyway, for the rest are lost), and that it gets back to the Rebublican spokespeople.

I am taking the liberty to cope and paste it to a few relatives. You will be credited as the poster. And, thanks for your service.


75 posted on 02/01/2005 5:57:27 AM PST by jacquej
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To: Rutles4Ever

"And if you were with the president from the start, I've already got your blood boiling."

Uh, no, you didn't. In fact, I'm willing to bet no one here's blood was boiling at this point in the article. We're subjected to infinitely worse almost all of the time, and even inherently there wasn't all that much up to that point to get angry about. I don't know what this guy's mental image of Republicans is, but it obviously bears no resemblance to reality.

Qwinn


76 posted on 02/01/2005 5:59:31 AM PST by Qwinn
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To: Rutles4Ever

We are going to have a lot of "mea-culpas" like this in the future. It's just like all the Dems wishing for the easy days of the cold-war, when we were all united (sic) against the commies. Of course they neglect the fact that people like Skerry and Rum Blossom Dodd were kissing up to the Sandys, and were making speeches hoping for the Commies to win in South America.


77 posted on 02/01/2005 6:01:21 AM PST by sharkhawk (I really have to stop surfing at DU.)
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To: jacquej

I'd like to think that this writer was sincere about seeing the remote possibility that President Bush was right all along, however, I have a feeling it's just a matter of hedging his bets. Give himself some room to say, "see, I realized it all along ... ". I guess I'm just cynical. BUT, I do feel that after the election on Sunday, my cousin, Jeremy McHalffey who died in Iraq on Jan 4 didn't give his life just so the liberals in this country could make us tuck our tails and run.

Also, I wonder how the African-Americans in this country feel about having had civil rights FORCED on them in the middle of the last centry??


78 posted on 02/01/2005 6:02:44 AM PST by Jackson57
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To: Rutles4Ever
And if you were with the president from the start, I've already got your blood boiling.

Don't flatter yourself. It takes a lot more than your self-analytical drivel to get us boiling. The more your party rants, the more desensitized we become to the lesser of it. That's why it keeps escalating in volume and vitriol. People just aren't paying attention to your group anymore.

79 posted on 02/01/2005 6:04:05 AM PST by prairiebreeze (George W Bush: Spending well-earned political capital.)
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To: whershey
I'll forgive him when people of his ilk admit that they've added to the death toll in Iraq by their anti-freedom rhetoric. If they had supported our efforts from the start this would have been much easier.

Bravo!

This author shouldn't "wait" for the next Bush success before he starts supporting the effort. He's not just a nobody sitting on the sidelines - he's a journalist with hundreds of thousands of readers. He needs to realize that he is in a position to convince his fellow naysayers that supporting this effort is good for the Iraqis and the American soldiers.

80 posted on 02/01/2005 6:04:48 AM PST by kidd
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