Posted on 01/31/2005 10:33:49 PM PST by velocityguy
Christians on PalTalk Chat Service Tracked by Radical Islamic Web Site An explosive New York Sun article reprinted at the Counterterrorism blog. As you can see, I was consulted on this story, and I will be posting more about it momentarily:
A radical Islamic Web site systematically tracks Christians on PalTalk.com, an Internet chat service on which a New Jersey man received a death threat two months before he and his family were murdered. The password protected Arabic Web site, at the address www.barsomyat.com, features pictures and information about Christians who have been particularly active in debating Muslims on PalTalk. One page from barsomyat.com features a group of photographs of a Syrian Christian, "Joseph," who now lives in Canada. Barsomyat.com's users have posted personal information about Joseph, including his brother's parole status, and make clear that they are actively trying to track down his current address.
Subscribers also post explicit warnings to Joseph. One comment states, "Know, oh Christian, that you are not far from us and you are under our watchful eyes!" Another user remarks, "Laugh, oh Chrisitan, and soon you will see a big hit."
Ahmed Paul, an Egyptian Christian and a theology student in America, said he believes Joseph was targeted because he frequently engaged in debates with Muslims on PalTalk. The Internet chat service attracts up to 3 million users a month, and subjects range from movies to music to religion to adult topics -- and some Arabic-speaking users of PalTalk have reported that contentious debates between Christians and Muslims are common in certain chat rooms.
Hossam Armanious, a Coptic Christian from Jersey City, N.J., who was found murdered earlier this month, frequently debated with Muslims on PalTalk. Two months before Armanious's murder, authorities said he received a death threat from a Muslim PalTalk user: "You'd better stop this bull ... or we are going to track you down like a chicken and kill you." On January 14, Armanious and his family -- including two daughters, ages 15 and 8 -- were found killed in their Jersey City home, bound and gagged with their throats slashed.
Authorities have not determined whehter Islamic extremists are to blame for the Armanious family's murder, nor is there any apparent link between the murder and barsomyat.com's tracking of Christians on PalTalk. However, many barsomyat.com users expressed jubilation at the deaths.
One user posted a photograph of Hossam Armanious and wrote, "This is a picture of the filthy dog, curser of Muhammad, and a photo of his filthy wife, curser of Muhammad. They got what they deserved for their actions in America."
In all, about 40 different discussion threads on barsomyat.com berate the Christians of PalTalk, and there are at least seven collections of photographs of PalTalk Christians. The barsomyat.com discussion threads seem to focus on Arabic-speaking Christians rather than those who speak English.
Barsomyat.com features not only photographs of the targeted Christians, but also attempts to track down their addresses. A post about a Christian man whose computer was apparently hacked to obtain his photograph includes the man's PalTalk name, his real name, and the city where he resides in Lebanon.
Another barsomyat.com entry outlines the relations (both blood and marital) between four Christians who are apparently PalTalk users, posts photographs of them, and then states, "We have postponed publishing this information because there is a lot more to be revealed when the time is right."
Even barsomyat.com's banner displays its hatred of Christians. The banner displays a crucifix crossed out by a violent red "X," and the main heading reads in Arabic, "Christians: Revealing the Truth Behind Our Belief."
Judging by the posts, almost all of barsomyat.com's users are Middle Eastern, and they are predominantly Egyptian. Mr. Paul said that's significant because the extremists on barsomyat.com live in societies where people simply do not challenge Islam and would never dream of insulting Prophet Muhammad.
Mr. Paul, who is an Islamic convert to Christianity, said when Islamic radicals from such societies participate in Internet debates with Christians who live in societies that promote free speech, they are often shocked by the Christians' arguments and view their debating opponents as blasphemers. And in the eyes of Islamic extremists, blasphemers are worhty of death.
Author Robert Spencer, who has been following the Armanious case for his Web site Jihad Watch, described barsomyat.com as "extremely important" after it was shown to him.
"I have never seen anything like this before," Mr. Spencer said. "It's chilling to see photographs of people who probably have no idea that they're on the Web site. Hamas's Web site would post self-congratulatory accounts of their attacks on civilians, but barsomyat.com's users are telegraphiing their intended victims in advance."
Mr. Spencer added that barsomyat.com is a "prime example" of how some Islamic extremists can utilize technology to attempt to bring Islamic religious law to the West.
"We saw in the Theo van Gogh murders that some Muslims will take these kinds of matters into their own hands," Mr. Spencer said. "The Internet makes it easier for them to do so by disseminating this kind of information. You could imagine 15 years ago how hard it would be for people to get this much information on people who they believe should be killed."
Barsomyat.com is registered to Viza-Web Inc., a Web hosting company based in Woodbury, Minn.
Posted at January 31, 2005 11:14 AM
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The FBI probably already knows but doesn't want to upset the peace loving Muslims.
barsomyat.com is down.
I wonder if there are similar sites trying to track Free Republic members...
I'm wondering how on earth these people were tracked. Let's say you get their IP address .. what then? You'd have to use a supoena to gain access to that user's personal information via their ISP. Any ideas?
*I posted this reply on another thread two days ago, it is just as relevant in this context, I believe. Share the wealth...
Of particular worth in noticing is the allah-and-muhammad approved practice of 'taqiyya', or deliberate deception with a purpose. This is what allows, and in fact, facilitates the stealth advance of modern islamists. As long as they can religiously justify lying to their neighbors, and those taken to their bosoms who mistakenly believed themselves to be friends, these lying, dissembling charlatans will continue to delude western Liberal apologists and both factions will jeopardise the existence of civilisation.
'Taqiyya' was no doubt being practised in full force by shill muslim "converts", pretending to have embraced Christianity in order to gain proximity to this family of Egyptian Coptics, in order to compromise the family's privacy, and safety in their home.
While I am at it I will just go ahead and throw out the ultimate politically incorrect grenade regarding the R.O.P.
Not only was muhammad an entirely false prophet with a religion manufactured almost entirely out of convenience, but also 'allah' is a false god. This is a god who claims to be willing to conceal his own plans from, or reveal them for men in a seemingly random and capricious fashion. This is a god who gives his believers liberty to play quite fast and loose with the truth. Truth is virtually relativistic, insofar as it allows advance of the 'divine' agenda of 'allah'.
There is no real or true god who would do that. That is not the mark of a god on whose word anyone can rely, not the behaviour of a god around whom a positive or transforming religion can be built.
That is a false construct of a false god who seeks to deceive and delude prideful and self-aggrandizing men, and then watch them choke to death on their own hubris.
You cannot really trust or believe in such a god. Let me name him for you - and I am not about to be shy in so doing. At risk of inviting death threats from idiot muslim fanatics running loose around the landscape, here goes...
That is the mark of no other than the Great Deceiver, of truly Holy Scripture. He is like a roaring lion, wounded and disabled, yet still filled with killing power - a veritable lust for the destruction of the human spirit and flesh.
He is the fallen angel, disinherited from his first high estate, no longer heir to the Kingdom of the Father. He is envious and jealous above all, bent on the destruction of all humanity, for it is we alone who may inherit our Father's Kingdom.
His name is beelzebub, prince of demons, lucifer son of the morning light, or more clearly understood without equivocation - Satan. Once a sheltering seraph, given charge over music - now he is the serpent of forked tongue, crawling on his belly in the dust. Allah is satan - period. Nothing less, nothing greater.
Need any further proof? Look at the unabashed hatred and disrespect for women reflected throughout the Qu'ran. God the Father cursed the serpent more grievously than any creature on earth and spoke of a special emnity between the deceiver and women! That should speak volumes.
Allah is satan, allah is the devil, allah is the base and evil one, allah is the great deceiver, and the merciless hater of all mankind, allah is the roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. Allah is devoid of goodness or mercy or compassion; he exists only to divide, conquer, brutalise, enslave, and debase.
I can perhaps love (some) deluded muslims, but I hate their false god and I hate their completely repressive, cruel, regressive, murderous anti-religion! I refuse to respect even one thing about it - not one.
Yeah, as a matter of fact, I am a Christian. I know the real God, and I know who He is. I also know who His enemies are and I am standing up to call out one of the worst among them here and now. Let the slings and arrows fly - let the insults be hurled, let the chips fall where they may.
Muhammad was never a prophet - he was a liar, philanderer, a Sado-masochistic sexual deviant, and a child-molesting paedophile, and an insolent brute. Allah is a demon - not a deity. May he rot in hell when judgment day comes - with muhammad right beside him.
I suppose you wait for people to use their real first name or real last name, and you keep track of all the personal information they post.
Eventually you'll be able to narrow them down to neighborhood, name, etc.
You can also track IP addresses to their general neighborhood, and if you know the first name of a person, you could check a phone book and see what you find.
Cross referencing.
Amen
Wouldn't want you to miss #6 on this thread by AmericanArchConservative.
Celebrate Diversity Bump.
A billion dollar lawsuit by the deceased's relatives might get their attention.
There is no way that Allah is the God of the Bible. Ever. Never.
Well, your browser can give away a lot of information about your system (and possibly you) that can help somebody find even more information about you.
Just going to a website and clicking on one of it's hotlinks can provide a whole number of possibilities for the bad guys via things like cross-site scripting, etc.
Google has gobs of information about people and sites, etc., and on and on. =)
If these Christians had spent much time online and posted at other websites, there's a really good chance that some foundational, personal information would be out there and available for free. Using basic information like that, for another $20.00, or so, you can apply to a number of services, online, that hold all kinds of information about people in the United States.
Well, if that is what you are saying, I would say the evidence is on your side.
Now, don't hold back....
That was so much fun quoting that.
Regards,
Star Traveler
Please tell me had you did that blinking thing. ;-)
Excuse me. "How" you did the blinking thing. ;-)))))
My bad...........as my boys used to say.
The F.B.I. could care less about any report i might make concerning these folks anymore than does any other gov. official including the president himself.When are folks gonna learn that their best interset is not what is foremost in the minds of the "U.S. Gov." They have their own agendas.
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