Posted on 01/31/2005 10:06:23 PM PST by Pro-Bush
Chuck Clark needs to stop watching X-Files re-runs and get a life.
There's nothing in the article that would actually define him as a "hacker".
Notice how he did not return the device, he paid restitution for the missing transponder.
How's that? As the article said many of the sensors were located miles outside Groom Lake's fence line on public land used by hikers and photographers.
Others were a few tens of yards from the fence line.
Did you think that the security can fire on any one, at any time, any where?
I'd say his life is fine the way it is. Kudos to him for the discovery.
Coast to Coast Ping
Thanks Karl. This should be interesting. Also quakes in Taiwan reported, two 5.+ but so far USGS only reports one.
Ping!
I have run into similar things out around China Lake in the Mojave desert. When I come upon a sign that says US Government - Stay Out - Deadly Force is Authorized.... YOU WILL BE PROBED!!!
Let's just say that a 180 turn is in order.
I hear ya! Makes sense to me!
Ferral hogs introduced into area 51 would hamper old Chuckies hobby of dinking around with goobermint sensor beds. Both the oinker and the A-10 versions....
Seems the AFOSI and FiBi's missed the fact Chuck is attempting to "spy" vs get a spot on Art Bell's "Loons up Late" ! (which I really enjoy :o)
Yeah, he seems more like a punk than a "hacker" and I have no use for either one.
The uncovering, mapping, and reburial of the sensors all sounds like an amateur astronomer. A few guys in my club would have done something like that. An intense curiosity, and a desire to understand what's really going on behind government technical projects, is a prevalent characteristic of astronomers. Stealing the thing is something else, though.
You know, I don't know that the deadly force warnings on the edge of what's called "Area 51" are serious. At least, I doubt they are serious, even today, on the edge of the installation.
I read a biography of Timothy McVeigh, and the author was describing various things McVeigh did before deciding to commit mass murder. One thing McVeigh did was drive well past one of the entrances to the "Area 51", and the deadly force warning sign, and sit there and wait for a security guard to show up. It didn't seem as if McVeigh was trying to provoke a violent encounter; he just wanted to see what would happen, apparently.
A private security guard did show up (the perimeter of that area was patrolled by private security). McVeigh just stood there, leaning on his truck, and the security guard watched for a while from his vehicle, and then left. Again, this was well within the "deadly force" posted warning.
Now, this was in the mid-nineties, and things might be different now. And, even then, it's likely that one would encounter real military police as one approached closer to the developed area of the base. But I'd guess it's not that likely you'd be shot just inside that perimeter. It's a long way, nowadays, from the perimeter of marked land to the developed base-- for a time, one could go to a hilltop some miles away, and observe the base below, but in recent years the government has declared even that land off limits, and some more miles back. So, the perimeter is really a long way away from the base. I doubt you'd be shot out at the very edge.
A couple of years ago my hubby and I decided to take a drive out Area 51, since we were going to be in Vegas. I found directions online, how to find the white mailbox to get on the dirt road. It is 10-20 miles off the paved road on a dirt track that is unmarked, out in the middle of nowhere. The really wild part was when we noticed a white SUV off in the distance watching us, moving position to keep us in sight. We drove all the way up to this sign, and stopped. The white SUV had moved to just a couple of hundred yards ahead of us. It was a really freaky moment, and we got really scared. So, I opened my car door, picked up a couple of rocks alongside the car, and we turned around and drove off. The white SUV followed us for about 10 miles, to make sure we were leaving.
Then, when we got back to the paved road, we went on and had burgers at the 'Lil Ale'Inn. All in all, a really crazy day!
Hey Timm, I agree with your analysis for the most part, but I do think that the unidentified guards will exercise their ability to use deadly force quite liberally. Best regards!
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