I just called the Governor's Office and tried to ask what was happening in the matter of Terri Schiavo and was told that the courts haven't decided yet. I told the person that Gov. Bush is the Chief Law Enforcement of the State and the Head of DCF and AHCA and how there was non-addressed complaints by AHCA. They transferred me to AHCA. This is going nowhere. I am supposed to be in training this week and already missed one day. My job is in jeopardy because my Governor and President cannot do their damn jobs. That goes for my representatives and for the FBI and the USDOJ whom I have notified of crimes against Teresa Schiavo in regards to people conspiring to murder her. IF YOU DO NOTHING TO AVERT THERESA SCHIAVO'S MURDER THE BLOOD IS ON YOUR HANDS!!!
Juan V Schoch
Lake Mary, FL 32746
407-925-4141
Drk4The1@aol.com wrote:
> PROOF that George Felos LIED in court to Judge Greer during a hearing specific about this new finding in which the parents of Terri Schiavo asked the Judge to abate his ruling and order an investigation into how Terri got these serious and multiple fractures. They did not mean for Greer to do the investigation, but for him to do his SWORN OATH duty and legal requirement to bring in LAW ENFORCEMENT. Judge Greer, state attroney Bernie McCabe and past Sheriff Everett Rice have been seen together and it is reproted that Greer was overheard at a baseball game talking about the Schiavo case with one of them. Felos made claims and produce alleged affidavits, but unverified as noted in court, which state exactly the opposite of the doctor. Felos claimed that Terri had a bone disease and there was nothing there of any importance to warrant any further attention. Thus actively hiding the fact that this Guardian has concealed and not treated (Felony Crimes) the 13 fractures by trying to say that she merely has a bone disease. Wait till you read about THE BROKEN BACK and the BROKEN FEMUR probably caused by direct blunt trauma like furniture, stairs or golf club!
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> Terri is a VICTIM and needs PROTECTION from this bunch
NOW!
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> *_url_*: http://www.zimp.org/stuff/03%20-%20WalkerDepositionDepo.htm
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> *November 21, 2003, deposition *
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> (excerpts) taken from Dr. Walker, a board-certified radiologist at Manatee Memorial Hospital. _Dr. Walker is the doctor that prepared the bone-scan report from the image of Terri Schiavo taken on March 5, 1991._
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> 15 Q What is a total-body bone scan used for
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> 16 typically?
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> 17 A It's to look for abnormalities of the
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> 18 bone, whether they -- if they would be recent
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> 19 abnormalities.
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> 20 Q Recent --
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> 21 A Recent.
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> 22 Q -- abnormalities?
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> 23 A Correct.
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> 24 Q Is it also a technique to diagnose
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> 25 osteoporosis?
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> 1 A No.
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> 3 Q And the next sentence, "There are an
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> 4 extensive number of focal abnormal areas of nuclide
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> 5 accumulation of intense type." What does that mean?
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> 6 A Well, that means that there are a lot of
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> 7 areas that look black on the images because lots of
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> 8 that radioactive decaying material was happening at
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> 9 those points and was being recorded by the imaging
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> 10 system.
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> 11 Q Okay. "These include multiple bilateral
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> 12 ribs." What would that mean to you?
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> 13 A Well, you know, there's left ribs and
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> 14 right ribs. And that would mean that more than two
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> 15 ribs on each side were involved.
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> 13 Q "Several of the thoracic vertebral
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> 14 bodies, the L1 vertebral body, both sacroiliac
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> 15 joints." These are all areas that were abnormal on
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> 16 the scan?
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> 17 A That's what this indicates, yes.
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> 18 Q "The distal right femoral diaphysis,"
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> 19 what area of the body is that?
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> 20 A That would be the right leg, the upper
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> 21 part of the right leg.
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> 22 Q Distal?
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> 23 A Above the knee.
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> 5 Q So on the thigh bone above the kneecap
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> 6 but not involving the joint?
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> 7 A That's what that particular thing says,
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> 8 but I think somewhere in there also, it mentioned
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> 9 that both knees --
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> 10 Q Right. Right after that.
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> 11 A Right after that. So that's different
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> 12 from the knee activity.
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> 13 Q And, "Both ankles, right greater than
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> 14 left." Those are two additional areas that showed
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> 15 up as abnormalities on the scan?
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> 16 A That's correct. Correct.
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> 13 *Q Would you draw any conclusions from that*
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> *14 how old the ossification was?*
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> *15 A You could say that it wasn't real old,*
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> *16 because typically, as we mentioned, the bone is a*
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> *17 dynamic structure, and it's constantly being*
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> *18 remodeled normally. So the body tends to take away*
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> *19 extra bone eventually to remodel it to look like*
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> *20 normal bone. So typically old bone injuries are*
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> *21 remodeled so that eventually they may almost*
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> *22 disappear, particularly in young people. In the*
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> *23 very young, a fracture you won't even see in three*
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> *24 or four years, it will be totally erased.*
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> 8 Q Then you go on to say, "Most likely the
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> 9 femoral periosteal reaction reflects a response to a
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> 10 subperiosteal hemorrhage." Would that be a bone
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> 11 bruise?
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> 12 A Correct.
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> 16 Q Then you go on to say, "And the activity
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> 17 in L1 correlates perfectly with the compression
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> 18 fracture which is presumably traumatic."
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> 19 A That's what it says.
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> 20 Q In other words, the x-ray confirmed the
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> 21 L1 fracture?
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> 22 A The x-ray shows an abnormality at L1
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> 23 which happens to correspond with the abnormal bone
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> 24 turnover on the bone scan at that point.
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> 7 *Q Is this compression fracture, then, in*
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> *8 common parlance, a broken back?*
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> *9 A Yes.*
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> *10 Q Is there any way to tell how old that*
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> *11 fracture would be?*
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> *12 A Well, as I've alluded to, the bone scan*
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> *13 gives some suggestion of that.*
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> *14 Q More recent rather than less recent?*
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> *15 A Correct. Typically in trauma the rule of*
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> *16 thumb is that a traumatic fracture is not active on*
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> *17 the bone scan after 12 to 18 months. *
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> *9 Q The report goes on to say, "The*
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> *10 presumption is that the other multiple areas of*
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> *11 abnormal activity also relate to previous trauma."*
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> *12 A That's what it says.*
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> 13 Q And, again, that's based on the fact that
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> 14 Dr. Carnahan is a rehab physician, that you were
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> 15 asked to evaluate for trauma?
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> *16 A And the pattern of activity is fairly*
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> *17 typical of multiple traumatic injuries of relatively*
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> *18 recent origin.*
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> *19 Q I realize you can't assign a cause to*
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> *20 these injuries that you picked up in this report.*
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> *21 But typically in your experience, what would be the*
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> *22 causes of this pattern of abnormality?*
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> *23 A In somebody her age, an auto accident is*
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> *24 by far the most typical cause.*
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> *25 Q Assume that she was not in an auto*
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> * *
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> *1 accident but that she had suffered an anoxic or*
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> *2 hypoxic encephalopathy type of injury from a cardiac*
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> *3 arrest and had been bedridden for a year at this*
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> *4 point. What might account for these abnormalities?*
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> *5 A In my knowledge, that type of injury*
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> *6 would not account for this pattern of abnormalities.*
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> *5 Q Okay. Is this a pattern of heterotrophic*
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> *6 ossification as reported in the literature that you*
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> *7 looked at?*
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> *8 A Not typically.*
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> *9 Q What makes it atypical?*
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> *10 A Well, if I were to pick one thing, I*
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> *11 would say the activity in the ribs is not typical.*
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> *12 And typically heterotrophic ossification occurs*
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> *13 around the joints because they're not being moved.*
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> *14 And typically you will see on the radiographs*
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> *15 calcium deposits actually sitting there. And they*
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> *16 don't look like periosteal reaction typically*
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> *17 either; they have a different appearance.*
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> *4 Q Can you say, then, within a reasonable*
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> *5 degree of medical certainty whether this bone scan*
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> *6 is consistent with heterotrophic ossification?*
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> *7 A In my knowledge, it's not consistent with*
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> *8 heterotrophic ossification as I typically see it.*
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> 21 Q Okay. And later on in your direct
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> 22 examination you were saying that traumatic fractures
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> 23 typically are not active on a bone scan after 12 to
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> 24 18 months. Is that correct?
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> 25 A That's correct.
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> 19 Q Okay. Is there any way for you to say
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> 20 from looking at this report when any of these
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> 21 occurrences took place that caused the abnormality
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> 22 to appear on the bone scan?
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> *23 A I can only say that if they were*
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> *24 traumatic that they probably occurred within 18*
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> *25 months.*
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> 1 Q Is it possible that the abnormalities
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> 2 that you noted on the right femoral diaphysis and
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> 3 metaphysis could have occurred if the patient was
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> 4 standing and suffered a cardiac arrest and fell to
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> 5 the floor?
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> 6 A Probably not. That wouldn't be a typical
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> 7 mechanism of injury that would cause a periosteal
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> 8 bruise. Typically you need a direct blow of some
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> 9 kind. I suppose one could speculate that she fell
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> 10 on a piece of furniture, that that could produce
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> 11 that injury. But just typically falling on the
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> 12 floor would not do that.
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> 9 Q Okay. The bone scan and radiographic
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> 10 report shows only one fracture. And that is a
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> 11 compression fracture to L1. Correct?
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> 12 A Well, I should clarify that by stating
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> 13 that not all of the areas of bone-scan abnormality
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> 14 were imaged concurrently. Okay. And that's
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> 15 important. In other words, we didn't x-ray every
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> 16 area that was hot on there. A couple of typical
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> 17 areas were imaged but not all. Of those areas that
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> 18 were imaged, the only area that showed what was a
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> 19 clear fracture was L1.
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> 2 Q The radiographs did not show any
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> 3 fractures of the right femur. Correct?
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> 4 A They don't show a typical fracture. They
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> 5 show periosteal reaction, which could be the result
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> 6 of a bone bruise, which is a bone injury that's not
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> 7 a loss of continuity of the structure of the bone.
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> 8 So to the extent that you define fracture as a loss
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> 9 of structural continuity, then, yes, that is an
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> 10 actual fracture as is typically described.
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> 10 Q Okay. If an immobile patient is going
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> 11 through physical therapy and part of the physical
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> 12 therapy is to have manual manipulation of the legs,
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> 13 particularly flexing of the knees, is it possible
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> 14 that that physical therapy would result in an
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> 15 abnormal appearance on a bone scan?
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> 16 MS. ANDERSON: Objection. That question,
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> 17 I think, is virtually unanswerable because it
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> 18 is so vague.
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> 19 A I could only speculate.
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> 20 Q Okay. In your opinion, is that something
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> 21 that would show up on a bone scan?
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> *22 A I would think only if the joint were*
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> *23 injured would it show up on a bone scan. Just*
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> *24 simple manipulation of an injured part should not*
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> *25 show up as an abnormality on a bone scan.*
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> *22 Q Would a kick be the kind of direct blow*
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> *23 that would produce that femoral abnormality?*
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> *24 A That would be a possibility, yes.*
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> *25 Q Would being thrown into a sharp furniture*
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> * *
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> *1 corner?*
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> *2 A That would be a possibility.*
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> *3 Q Would being struck with some sort of*
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> *4 blunt object like a golf club or something do it?*
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> *5 A Yes.*
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> *22 Q You mentioned that you have seen*
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> *23 fractures in bedridden patients before?*
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> *24 A Yes.*
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> *25 Q How frequently have you seen that?*
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> * *
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> *1 A Rare.*
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> *2 Q It's rare?
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> 3 A Yes.*
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Looks like the Governor is NOT going to be convinced to get involved. What a shame.
Post #2685 bump!
22 Would a kick be the kind of direct blow that would produce that femoral abnormality? 24 That would be a possibility, yes.Absolutely disgusting that the Sheriff, the Attorney General, Greer, and the Governor have ALL IGNORED this deposition! Absolutely LUDICROUS that they can ALLOW Felos to claim that Terri received these injuries from OSTEOPOROSIS instead of via TRAUMA, as Dr. Walker said is likely.25 Would being thrown into a sharp furniture corner?
2 That would be a possibility.
3 Would being struck with some sort of blunt object like a golf club or something do it?
5 Yes.
I see that you have the Florida Representatives in your email list. We have the senators in one of the post, but it looks like we need to concentrate on the representatives.
Maybe you could cut and paste your Florida rep. list. I haven't seen it on this thread.