TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO FEBRUARY DAILY THREAD 2005: TERRI IS OUR VALENTINE!

Free Republic and various sources | December 30, 2004, January 31, 2005 | Florida Voter

[Sun]

I strongly believe, also, that Michael knows that Terri can swallow which is why he won't allow her to have Holy Communion. That proves she can swallow.

Judge Greer also knows that she can swallow. That's why he said "I don't want anyone feeding that girl."

[mtbopfuyn]

I have a very strong suspicion that Michael knows that Terri would be capable of accepting food and water by mouth if they were allowed to her, and is very keen on ensuring that nobody ever proves it.

Which is exactly why he was in such a panic over the priest giving her last rights the last time.

[pickyourpoison]

exactly

[l.tecolote]

Actually, what supercat is alluding to is even better.
bitter, vengeful Shylock = (more or less) HINO
victimized Antonio = Terri
Portia = any attorney representing Terri

In Shakespeare's morality play, Antonio borrows a large sum of money from Shylock to help his friend Bassinio. In open court, astute, clever and disguised Portia, acknowleges that Shylock, per the contract terms, is entitled to a pound of flesh from Antonio, which will kill him. The judges who desperately want to find a contract loophole to save Antonio, finally have to rule for Shylock. But at the last moment, as Shylock prepares to mutilate Antonio, resourceful Portia advises him that he is only entitled to exactly and precisely one pound of flesh, without bone or blood or anything else in the mix. Otherwise, he will have violated the terms of the contract (analogous to Greer's order permitting only the withdrawal of Terri's feeding tube). The judges like this solution and readily consent to the exactness of Portia's contract definition.
What Greer's order doesn't include (and legally can't) is the withholding of all food and water because, under Florida law, self-murder is illegal, and anyone "deliberately assisting another in the commission of self-murder shall be guilty of manslaughter, a felony of the second degree," (782.08).
Settlement of legal complaints in Shakespeare's day were often finalized by personal court appearance and testimony under oath, without submission of written documents.
All food and water being withheld from Terri would be solely attributable to HINO. It might be possible, with astute and clever use of the self-murder statute, that HINO could be prevented from achieving his goal. But public clamor will not accomplish this relief; only filing of the necessary and appropriate documents with a court of competent jurisdiction will suffice.

[FR_addict]

"Oh, there's plenty that we can nail Michael on if Greer would just be an honest judge for a change."

Definitely, if Greer would do his job. But since he refuses to uphold the law, I'm looking for something that would go to the criminal courts, such as tax evasion on Terri's funds, Medicaid fraud, or some other criminal activity. That way, Michael's unfitness to be Terri's guardian can't be ignored.

[FR_addict]

It's too bad the woman who said Michael stalked her didn't report him at the time. How long ago was that? I wonder if the statute of limitations ran out on stalking.

[tutstar]

http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/index.php?p=596#more-596

I googled these words "dr. ronald cranford pvs definition shiavo"


This choice tidbit also...

Dr. Ronald Cranford was a member of the board of the former Euthanasia Society of America, which eventually merged with Partnership for Caring.

[floriduh voter]

TERRI FEBRUARY THREAD NEW RECORD VIEWS! Ta Da! LURKERS YOU CAN MAKE PHONE CALLS AND DO EMAILS TOO. PLEASE HELP TERRI.

Now back to the DIRTY BUSINESS OF FLORIDA GOVERNMENT NOT CARING FOR TERRI: FLORIDA ATTORNEY GENERAL CRIST helps the handicapped - once and it wasn't Terri.

THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE MINDSET IN FLORIDA. While Terri has been held in a room for five years with a broken wheelchair and the Judge Greer refuses to see her to see that she's alert and aware, FLA AG CRIST goes to bat for a paraplegic man who is bumped from a US Airways Flight he was taking to get an operation at a Cleveland Hospital (probably the place with hino's lawyer got his expert witnesses who lied about Terri).

http://www.tampatrib.com/Business/MGBJQA95D5E.html

[floriduh voter]

THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE MINDSET IN FLORIDA. While Terri has been held in a room for five years with a broken wheelchair and the Judge Greer refuses to see her to see that she's alert and aware, FLA AG CRIST goes to bat for a paraplegic man who is bumped from a US Airways Flight he was taking to get an operation at a Cleveland Hospital (probably the place with hino's lawyer got his expert witnesses who lied about Terri).

http://www.tampatrib.com/Business/MGBJQA95D5E.html

FLA AG CRIST CITIZEN SERVICES: 1-850-414-3300

[TAdams8591]

Michael, who knows full well Terri is NOT in a coma, will NOT allow anthing THAT would prove it.

Larry King asked Michael if they could take video of Terri and Michael said NO becuase they were protecting Terri's privacy.

What really gets me is that Michael's motivations are so OBVIOUS. And yet the media and the courts never call him on it.

[pc93]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1204396/posts?page=68#68

[Sun]

This is all so shocking. The majority of the country seems to be on Terri's side, but we are helpless to release her (so far).

Do you have to live in FL to call the legislature? What is the phone #? Do you leave a general message if you call the FL legislature, or do you need to ask for a specific legislator? (Confused)

[floriduh voter]

We cannot print any articles from this web site on free republic but THE PHONE NUMBERS TO JEB BUSH, SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE PRESIDENT AND MANY MORE ARE ON THEIR HOME PAGE. I AM ONLY PRINTING THIS TO GET YOU THERE FOR PHONE NUMBERS.

http://www.theempirejournal.com/0219051fs_fl_ag_discriminating_i.htm

[floriduh voter]

MICHAEL NEVER GOES TO COURT AND MICHAEL REFUSES TO BE INTERVIEWED. If you missed EWTN last night, ask nyer to ping you to his thread. It was a great interview of Attorney Gibbs and Terri's dad. FABULOUS INTERVIEW.

[TAdams8591]

Governor Jeb Bush: 1-850-488-4441

Governor's Legislative Affairs Office: 1-850-488-5000

FL Legislature Senate President Tom Lee: 1-850-487-5072

FL Legislature Speaker fo the House Allen Bense: 1-850-488-1450

There is a separate listing for each Florida House and Senate member. See pc93's last listing Reply#1960.

[Drango]

The majority of the country seems to be on Terri's side,

Well I guess it depends how you define being on Terri's side. Despite what the small band of FReepers post over and over here...The majority of Americans, believe the state, court and church should have no role in Terri's situation. Here is one of many polls showing that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101826,00.html

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Majority Would Remove Schiavo's Feeding Tube

Friday, June 18, 2004

By Dana Blanton

Three times as many Americans think Terri Schiavo's feeding tube should be removed as think it should remain and — if in her place — most Americans say they would prefer the tube be removed.

When asked to consider what action they would take if they were Schiavo's guardian, a 61 percent majority says they would remove her feeding tube and 22 percent would keep the tube inserted, according to the latest FOX News national poll conducted by Opinion Dynamics Corporation.

Terri Schiavo (search ) is the Florida woman who has been in a "persistent vegetative state" since 1990. Schiavo's husband, who believes his wife would rather die than be kept alive artificially, is currently in a heated legal battle against her parents. Terri's parents believe she could still recover and want the feeding tube to remain. After Schiavo's feeding tube had been removed for several days, it was recently re-inserted by an order from Florida Gov. Jeb Bush.

"It seems clear that if the governor and the Florida Legislature passed the law and ordered the tube replaced for political motives, as some of their critics have charged, then they miscalculated the politics," comments Opinion Dynamics President John Gorman (search ). "On every important point of the dispute, the public agrees with Mr. Schiavo and the courts that have ruled on this matter."

Majorities of young Americans and seniors, men and women would remove the feeding tube in Schiavo's case and would want it removed if they were in a similar circumstance. Self-described conservatives are less likely than liberals to support removing Schiavo's feeding tube, but still a majority of conservatives supports removal (56 percent to 70 percent among liberals).

Half of Americans believe the spouse should be the decision maker in right-to-die cases, while just under a third say the parents or other family members should be the ones to decide. Hardly any think the decision should be left to the government (two percent) or to the patient's doctor (four percent).

Polling was conducted by telephone October 28-29, 2003 in the evenings. The sample is 900 registered voters nationwide with a margin of error of ±3 percentage points.  

1. If a patient has been in what doctors call a “persistent vegetative” or a coma-like state with no higher brain activity for a significant amount of time, who do you think should make the decision whether the patient should be kept alive or not?

1. The person’s parents or other family members	31%
2. The person’s spouse	50
3. The government	2
4. (The person’s doctor)	4
5. (Not sure)	13

2. Terri Schiavo has been in a so-called “persistent vegetative state” since 1990. Her eyes sometimes open, but doctors say she has no consciousness. Terri’s husband says his wife would rather die than be kept alive artificially and wants her feeding tube removed. Terri’s parents believe she could still recover and want the feeding tube to remain. If you were Terri’s guardian, what would you do?
SCALE: 1. Would you remove the feeding tube 2. Or would you keep the feeding tube inserted? 3. (Not sure)

	Remove	Keep	(NS)
TOTAL ANSWER	61%	22	17
Female	62%	20	18
Male	60%	25	15
Age 18-34	64%	25	11
35-50	57%	26	17
51-59	66%	17	17
60-70	67%	18	15
Over 70	60%	17	22
Democrat	68%	20	13
Republican	56%	26	17
Independent	58%	19	23
Liberal	70%	18	13
Moderate	61%	24	15
Conservative	56%	26	18

3. If you were in Terri Schiavo’s place, what would you want your guardian to do? Would you have your guardian:

1. Remove the feeding tube or	74%
2. Keep the feeding tube inserted?	16
3. (Not sure)	10

[TAdams8591]

It BOGGLES the mind that he can get away with it.

We really should Call our "JUSTICE SYSTEM" something else. The name is no longer fitting. Too often it has absolutely NOTHING to do with JUSTICE, and is quite the OPPOSITE.

[TAdams8591]

I KNOW YOU KNOW this but she is NOT in a PERSISTENT VEGETATIVE STATE!!!!!

If people knew it they might respond differently to that question.

Just goes to show how the Mainstream Media BRAINWASHES people.