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AOL Pulls Plug on Newsgroup Service (Usenet)
BetaNews ^ | January 25, 2005 | Brian McWilliams

Posted on 01/31/2005 8:37:01 AM PST by Born Conservative

PERSPECTIVE The world's largest ISP is cutting off direct access to one of the oldest, coolest -- and strangest -- parts of the Internet.

America Online has quietly announced that it will discontinue providing member access to Usenet newsgroups next month. In recent days, AOL subscribers who access keyword "Newsgroups" are greeted with a pop-up message informing them of the change: "Please Note: The AOL Newsgroup service will be discontinued in early 2005."

According to a notice on AOL's Web site, the newsgroup shut-off will occur in February, severing subscribers from the thousands of discussion groups that make up Usenet.

AOL officials weren't immediately available to explain the newsgroup shutdown. The ISP's pop-up message advises subscribers that newsgroup services are available from third-party providers. The message also notes that users with separate high-speed connections may be able to arrange newsgroup access through their broadband provider. AOL users can read newsgroups over the Web using Google Groups, the message said.

The Usenet dates back to around 1980. Now that blogs and instant messaging have supplanted older Internet technologies such as newsgroups and IRC, it's unlikely that AOL users will create much of an uproar over the decision. But the event nonetheless represents a milestone in Internet history.

The AOL newsgroup shutdown comes almost exactly eleven years after the service first unleashed its members on the Usenet. In early 1994, seasoned newsgroup participants complained of the sudden influx of AOL newbies, who appeared to know little of Usenet etiquette. One dismayed user likened AOL members to drunk drivers on the Information Super Highway.

Others compared the stream of AOL users to freshmen arriving at college in autumn, and described the resulting decline of newsgroup discourse as the Eternal September. Perhaps not coincidentally, the first Usenet spam -- known as the Green Card Lottery spam -- appeared right around the same time.

Besides text-based discussions, Usenet newsgroups today are also used for the distribution of binary data, including images, MP3 music files and software programs. But the technology is much slower and more cumbersome than peer-to-peer networks for accessing such data. As a result, copyright holders and associations such as the RIAA and MPAA have been less aggressive about policing piracy on Usenet.

It's not clear whether such legal issues led to AOL's decision. Last summer, the ISP settled a long-running lawsuit brought by author Harlan Ellison. The science fiction writer had complained that AOL was partly to blame when one of its users posted digital copies of his published work in Usenet newsgroups. AOL argued that, under the DMCA, its liability for the actions of members was limited.

AOL's Usenet implementation was non-standard from the start. The service doesn't allow members to connect directly to its network news transfer protocol (NNTP) servers. Thus, AOL subscribers are forced to use the service's internal and poorly designed newsgroup reader rather than the array of better third-party programs.

But AOL did help to launch scores of local-interest newsgroups known as AOL Neighborhood Newsgroups. The future of those newsgroups, which contain job listings and personals ads, is unknown.

The newsgroups flame wars will certainly continue without the assistance of AOL members. And alt.barney.dinosaur.die.die.die and all the other bizarre newsgroup forums will no doubt survive the loss of participants from the big ISP. But the Usenet will nonetheless become a smaller, less interesting place once AOL turns off its newsgroup servers.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: aol; aolsucks; newsgroups; usenet
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1 posted on 01/31/2005 8:37:01 AM PST by Born Conservative
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To: Born Conservative

Does this mean there will be a migration of strange and unusual people to Free Republic?


2 posted on 01/31/2005 8:39:02 AM PST by cripplecreek (they call me tater.)
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To: cripplecreek

One can still access usenet fairly easily through Google Groups.


3 posted on 01/31/2005 8:39:47 AM PST by 1LongTimeLurker
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To: 1LongTimeLurker

Except for the binaries.


4 posted on 01/31/2005 8:41:07 AM PST by Born Conservative (Those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself." - Richard Nixon)
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To: Born Conservative
America Online has quietly announced that it will discontinue providing member access to Usenet newsgroups next month. In recent days, AOL subscribers who access keyword "Newsgroups" are greeted with a pop-up message informing them of the change: "Please Note: The AOL Newsgroup service will be discontinued in early 2005."

AOL charges way too much, charges your CC well after you discontinue service, has software that hoses your computer, is incredibly filled with pop-ups and advertisements, and........

........decides that the way to increase customer service is to stop offering fully 1/3 of the web experience.

Smmmmmarrrrrrrt.

5 posted on 01/31/2005 8:41:39 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999!)
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To: cripplecreek

I think most of us are already here.


6 posted on 01/31/2005 8:41:54 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Born Conservative
But the technology is much slower and more cumbersome than peer-to-peer networks for accessing such data.

LOL! Slower and more cumbersome? Sounds like the writer is behind the times.

7 posted on 01/31/2005 8:42:18 AM PST by Tennessee_Bob (Come on you sons of bitches! Do you want to live forever?)
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To: cripplecreek

Newsgroups were (and probably still are) one of the most valuable sources of information out there... archived and current... Finding answers to niche or tough questions nothing has to date compared to newsgroups.


8 posted on 01/31/2005 8:42:20 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Born Conservative

9 posted on 01/31/2005 8:43:00 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: Born Conservative

AOL was never a true ISP. More a internet content service. I still recommend it for beginners. Most folks have no clue about usenet anyways. I find it incredibly useful. A good usenet search can produce solutions to many problems be it cars or computers very quickly sometimes.


10 posted on 01/31/2005 8:43:37 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Lazamataz

AOL does have one important use: distracting some of the morons who might otherwise be using the internet.


11 posted on 01/31/2005 8:43:39 AM PST by Petronski (Once you go Beethoven you never go back.)
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To: Born Conservative
AOL's Usenet implementation was non-standard from the start.

Much of what AOL has ever done has been 'non-standard'.

The few times (years ago) I tried AOL, they were slow, cumbersome, massively glutware, and frequent disconnects and inability to reconnect for long periods.
12 posted on 01/31/2005 8:43:57 AM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Indeed. AOL is for dummies who can't type an address.


13 posted on 01/31/2005 8:44:17 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: Petronski
AOL does have one important use: distracting some of the morons who might otherwise be using the internet.

Ah. Kinda like a heat sink for idiots.

An idiot-sink.

14 posted on 01/31/2005 8:44:28 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999!)
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To: Born Conservative
Do the AOL and Usenet populations overlap at all?

All Over Lame is mostly people who can't figure out how to use the Internet without having their hands held.

Usenet is mostly old time knowledgeable (and often kinky) users.

So9

15 posted on 01/31/2005 8:45:01 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: Lazamataz

Yes sir. A heat sink for idiots. An idiot-sink.


16 posted on 01/31/2005 8:46:13 AM PST by Petronski (Once you go Beethoven you never go back.)
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To: HamiltonJay
Newsgroups were (and probably still are) one of the most valuable sources of information out there... archived and current... Finding answers to niche or tough questions nothing has to date compared to newsgroups.

And where else can you find jpgs of Lucious Lucy's Loving Lips?

17 posted on 01/31/2005 8:46:41 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999!)
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To: HamiltonJay

I regularly use newsgroups (through Google) to find answers to computer problems. I also use them somewhat when deciding on which specific brand of a product to buy. Newsgroups are a wealth of info.


18 posted on 01/31/2005 8:46:51 AM PST by Born Conservative (Those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself." - Richard Nixon)
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To: Petronski

You betcha. A heat sink for idiots. An idiot-sink.


19 posted on 01/31/2005 8:47:10 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999!)
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To: Born Conservative

One more cool thing about usenet. Its archived so far back you can look at political discussions from the eighties and nineties and laugh at how wrong the liberals were!


20 posted on 01/31/2005 8:47:54 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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