I believe you can make an informed opinion about the actions and motivations of others. You just don't want to.
When it gets too hot, they return to Mexico for a spell until they return to commit more crimes.
The statistic of 15 million illegals and crime statistic disproves your generalizations. Most illegals work and obey our laws.
Legal immigration is more than meeting demand for labor. What you folks continuously dismiss, is that we have 5% unemployment.
I don't dismiss it I just didn't think you would use a historically low statistic to try and prove your point. It is not a logical argument.
I don' really care whether you accept my claims about illegals or not.
Your lengthy responses belie that.
You are a sad individual who is unable to discuss this issue without race-baiting.
I do not think you are a racist, or at least I see no evidence other than your opposition to Dubya's guest worker program. I have not said all who disagree with me are racists. I have consistently left room in my argument to include the motivations of people who oppose me on the basis of law. You can't even seem to say Byrd is a racist.
I spent my time addressing real issues and providing reasons why I assess this situation the way I do. You spent your time calling me a racist and dodging realty.
You have impugned my intelligence and my principles. I have not reciprocated. I questioned your judgment and I gave my reasons. I don't think your stupid or evil, just wrong.
Have a nice day.
These are a number of reasons why I post responses to people, the least of which is whether the person I'm responding to will comprehend, be changed by or even read it. Many people read this forum. Not all of them post here. I am read by more people than those I respond to.
In every post to me on this thread you have sought to introduce racism into the conversation. Even when confronted on the issue, you continued to do so. In this latest post you sought to demean me for not agreeing that some of those objecting to illegal immigration are racists. As a believer in Christianity, I am not obligated to judge other people. I am obligated to contemplate, assess and modify only my behavior. You are a very good object lesson, why people shouldn't try to judge others. You have been wrong with regard to me on a number of occasions on this thread.
Since racism is your thing, let's contemplate that issue for a moment. You evidently believe that the Mexican nationals should receive preferential treatment when it comes to immigration into the United States. You have advocated for that at length on this thread. I have objected, and so you have sought to cast me as a racist. Even in your last post you said, " I do not think you are a racist, or at least I see no evidence other than your opposition to Dubya's guest worker program." Bud, opposition to Bush's guest worker program is not evidence of racism. None the less, you had to slip in that implication.
One of your criteria for supporting Mexican nationals be allowed into the nation in elevated numbers, was that they are poor and deserve a right to make a better life for themselves. You have defended this at length, and if memory serves, you also noted that it was the Christian thing to do, or some such. You'll have to excuse me for wondering how credible your demand of philanthropy is, when I note that you haven't advocated for any other world citizens to be able to enter our nation at will. You don't lobby here for any other race but Mexicans. Where is evidence of your lobbying efforts for poor Canadians, Panamanians, Peruvians, Indians, Shri Lankans, Chinese, Vietnamese, Laotians, Malaysians, Australians, Brits, Polish... the list is quite extensive, but you haven't touched on a single nationality other than Mexicans. I have said that two to three millions illegals entering our nation each year was wrong. You have refuted every single attempt to get you to acknowledge that, and call for it to end. Evidently you are convinced that Mexicans have a right to be here. Why just Mexicans?
If you truly believe that two to three Mexicans each year should be able to come here, on top of the present legal limits, then you must advocate that for all the worlds poor. Whatever flow you advocate for Mexicans, you must also advocate that for each of the other nations I mentioned. I mentioned twelve nations by name. There are about 165 members of the United Nations. If we allow two million people to immigrate from each of these nations, that would be 330 million new residents in the United States each and every year. In just three years we would have one billion new residents in the United States, all of them poor, most if not all of them only having about a 4th grade to 8th grade level of education. We would have to help house, feed and clothe them. We would have to provide healthier and education to their young. We should have to pay for the hundreds of thousands of births they would generate.
I don't want to see one more post on this forum by a racist. I'm sure you would agree. And if you're not going to advocate the same treatment for other nations you are for Mexicans, that includes you.
Lets move on. You responded to my mention of crime by illegals, saying statistics disproved my generalization. Once again, you produce the lie, rather than acknowledge the problem. In California jails and prisons, illegal immigrants make up anywhere from 25 to 33% of the population. As near as I can tell, illegal immigrants probably make up somewhere around 10 to 15% of the California population. That would mean that they are reprsented in jails and prisons by about two to one over U.S. Citizens.
Later on you seem about ready to cry since I wouldn't say Robert Byrd is a racist. This topic is about illegal immigration. It is not about Robert Byrd. I have never supported Robert Byrd. I've never voted for him and have continuously trashed the democrats for have an ex member of the KKK, in their body. This just isn't the place to discuss that. This a thread about illegal immigration. Once you noted that Byrd was against Bush's worker program and illegal immigration in gerneral, there wasn't anything else to say on that topic. Big whoop-di-do. The only racism I've seen on this thread so far, is some loon demanding preferential treatment for only one nation's people. I might add, they are demanding that even over their own citizens.
As for you intelligence and your principles, I wouldn't make that arguement if I were you. You are so far out on the limb you are trying to saw off.. I'd just climb on down and rethink my next move.
People with principles don't throw around the word racism like you do. They don't impugn others unless they are sure. They don't advocate racist immigration policies. They don't try to get people to judge others. They don't advocate the theft of U.S. Citizens hard earned money, so they can give tens billions of dollars it away each year to one specific nation's people. In case you didn't realize it, that's theft. Isn't there a famous quote, "Thou shalt not steal" somewhere? As for intelligence, I really shouldn't have to write this stuff to you.